RE: Do you want to see Hive survive and thrive?
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While I agree that selling tokens creates pressure on the price, I strongly disagree that pressure much matters to Hive. In 2016 when the platform emerged in a much smaller market of cryptos as Steem it's use case in social media was novel and theoretically would have enabled it to participate in the social media market, which was then, and is now, the biggest industry on Earth. Today we have fallen from 8th place on the crypto market cap chart to ~220, despite that massive advantage.
From circle jerks to bidbots, and finally to the conquest of Steem by Sun Yuchen and the creation of Hive, plutocratic governance of the platform has utterly failed to enable it to perform acceptably by any measure or metric you care to use. From curation rewards deranging curation into chasing ROI instead of promoting good content to narrative shaping on the platform by opinion flagging that has chased off the massive majority of users that tried to adopt this social media platform, including many 'influencers' with huge audiences that would have followed them here had they remained, plutocracy has failed us.
If we had been able to get social media right and prevent censorship Hive would be #1 on coinmarketcap's list today, because it has a vastly more valuable use case than BTC or any other crypto. It is because the claim of censorship resistance was blatantly false, and instead flags massively decentralized and facilitated censorship that Hive is teetering on the brink of ceasing operations today. If we had lived up to our potential to be a social media platform that resisted censorship, people could do any damn thing they wanted with their tokens and it wouldn't matter at all. Demanding HODL is desperation, and cannot create a useful crypto. Money needs velocity to be useful, and what you advocate is killing the utility of the token as money.
We have discussed this matter, and I do not expect my comment here to change your mind, so I will not spend hours flinging rhetorical points at you here. I just wanted to publicly state my disagreement that you have been long aware of. I want people to see that I upvoted your post, and that I disagree with you on this matter, so they can see that disagreement of opinion is not a valid reason to downvote on this platform. Downvotes should be reserved for spam, scams, and plagiarism, and when the aren't used to prevent those ills they are abused to destroy Hive.
HW today is downvoting several content creators for reasons other than those listed above, so that they cannot make a pfennig on any comment or post, and both @baah and @por500bolos are producing quality content that deserves support. From @skeptic to @logiczombie, many creators have been driven in this way from the platform, and HW IS KILLING HIVE instead of sticking to it's geas and preventing spam, scams, and plagiarism from killing Hive. Since both disease and cure are fatal to Hive, I can't say the cure is worse than the disease. They're both equally fatal.
Thanks!
Edit: oddly enough, I am perhaps the poster boy for your plan. I do not sell any rewards I receive on Hive. I only HODL. Just thought I should mention that.
No doubt about that.
Why one would think that web2 thinking would be a winning strategy in web3 is beyond me.
Clearly, we have a new paradigm forming that will be much, much more egalitarian.
Money needs to be valued enough that people want it, if we don't have that the velocity is all towards zero, or near zero.
I think that is playing out now in the price.
No.
This is not true.
Baah was doing ok until gtg put him on a downvote bot, likely as a result of baah being annoyingly correct, at times.
P5b recycled content, then went on a not totally irrational emotional tirade.
He could end this anytime he wants by bending the knee to hw's.
He did do what they claim he did.
I forget how lz came to be on the naughty list, but I do recall some verbal attacks on hive and a dumping of 20k+ hive.
No hivizen is going to be able to support that kind of behavior.
I think skeptic was the first gay porn spammer.
I was supporting him in his flag war with bernie, too.
He came back from like -37rep, and then flipped out.
I'm betting he lost his keys.
All things in the past.
The current crop of problems are not those, though these do persist in hive's reputation.
The viable escape route is still through powering up what we are given.
Indeed you are.
We disagree on many things, yet here we are being amiable.
No flag wars necessary.
@baah is quite abusive. I consider that a plus. However, he has been putting out well sourced informative posts for a long time, and any guff he flings is a test of the skin, not a reason for flags. He may post a lot of comments but he's not spamming some commercial opportunity, he's just overflowing with passion.
Reposting original content isn't a scam. It's regreening content past the 7 day window, and I reckon that's fine. It's certainly not a reason to drive yet another valuable creator off the platform, which is what is being attempted.
Cashing out some tokens and saying mean words to people isn't scamming, spamming, or plagiarism. It should never have drawn flags.
I agree about @skeptic, and still miss him.
The problem with flags is that they're too easy to fly, and that has lead to their abuse, rampant abuse. You're wrong to say that these are problems in the past. They're ongoing presently, except for @skeptic. The social interactions on this platform are what makes or breaks it. Lot's of social media platforms exist without tokens, and outperform Hive. The token is just a bonus, or should be. However, by downvoting censorship is ridiculously facilitated, and that makes the token a terrible burden on Hive. Frankly, I believe we'd be better off without a token at all.
If Hive is going to succeed, it is because the social media platform succeeds, and getting rid of Hive tokens altogether will eliminate the censorship problem Hive has. I'd allow we could still have tokens and potential to succeed if downvotes no longer were potential for other reasons than spam, scams, and plagiarism. Tokenomics are almost irrelevant otherwise.
All the flag wars and drama we have seen have been the anchor around our necks. It's been fun, but expensive. I always appreciate talking with my betters, so always enjoy talking to you.
Well, when you are right and people won't listen, one tends to get frustrated.
I don't blame him, I've read some of what he's said, and what's been said to him.
He is passionate in a way that is easy to take the wrong way.
Especially, when one is somewhat narrow minded.
So, get hw's scope amended.
Not reposting content has been a rule since before I got here.
P5b got here before I did, he knows the rules, and rolled the dice.
He is not alone in that.
He simply got caught.
I think he should apologize and move on, he has clearly had much clear conduct since this minor infraction occurred.
I also think the day of the content nazi is at an end.
People that come here and prove themselves 'real', as defined by not spamming, scamming, or plagiarizing have some deference coming when they color outside the lines, imo.
Nuking somebody that only needs correcting is overkill.
Which, honestly, is the current case.
The days of the bernster, et al, have been long gone.
The 'abused author' is a literal unicorn today.
I've been watching for them for years now.
If you follow along on https://hivetasks.com/@freebornsociety you will see what is getting upvotes and flags from most of the curators in the hive.
I can't follow all the upvoters, so I rotate, but I have the downvoters covered pretty well.
Just look at the flags and see if what you say applies to them.
If it does, ping me and I will look at it.
Then we can attempt to right any wrongs.
Collectively.
Perspective is important.
There is good and bad in us all.
We agree on this. Your ceaseless work to monitor this space is vastly underappreciated, certainly underfunded.
Nope! not before these snowflakes couldn't stand my straight eloquent reasons "in two different languages" and they failed to inject, process and digest those reasons into their stubborn & stupid little brains.
I get it, we should be able to 'regreen' content, but that isn't the consensus in the hive.
If we want to change that consensus we have to power up more hive than the ninjaminers piled up so that they could control all aspects of hive.
That could have been accomplished by now, but we vote rewards to people that dump them so that cheap hive is available to centralize the currency to a few accounts so that they can continue to force people to not 'regreen' content.
Look at how much hive you have dumped.
You could have been pulling out your curation rewards to keep them from going to the people persecuting you, but nope.
You could have been giving rewards to people that want to power up and change things, but that isn't what happened, is it?
If you have no power to vote, do you expect those with the power to not do what best suits them?
You would be in a much stronger position, if you hadn't dumped, imo.