Do you want to see Hive survive and thrive?
IF you answered 'yes' to the title's question then let's take a deeper dive into the reality of that.
You, wanting to see hive thrive, naturally save your hive in hive power, yes?
This seems to be the natural, 'common sense' thing to do, yes?
You naturally don't vote rewards to people that drop hive like it is hot, right?
As a community, if we want to survive, we need to establish customs that serve the community's survival goals, yes?
Voting rewards to people that are powering down to sell them just as fast as they can is not consistent with this stated goal.
Yes?
The customs and traditions of hive's community are not really established, yet.
We've been at this 7 plus years, but outside hivewatcher's standards, and trending's enforcement of nothing that offends corporate speak, we haven't really established what it is to be a hivizen.
Sure, some of us ride herd on the spammers and plagiarists.
Some of us pump out pablum known to make trending, every time.
It is pretty easy to guess which one serves our collective survival better.
Is that how we value these traits in the rewards pool?
Clearly not.
Spamming and plagiarizing seems to be at an all time low.
Can we get some congrats to hw's and hdr for making that happen?
I think that requiring minimal amounts to be held until we reach broader adoption is not too much to ask.
It is 'free' money, right?
It costs you nothing to hold on in hopes of a moonshot, yes?
IF the people forming the community of hive don't value hive, then who will?
My suggestion is that a 50 rep count should not be powering down, at all.
A 60 rep account should have a minimum of 1000hp.
A 70 rep account should have a mimimum of 10k hp.
80 rep accounts should have a minimum of 50k hp.
Not holding these amounts means that the account has powered down and sold what was given them by the curators.
For me, this is my standard for curation.
If you don't meet these data points then I don't vote you or follow you.
I heap scorn and derision an any curators not vetting their beneficiaries.
The top 5 curators vote rewards nearly exclusively to accounts that don't meet these minimal commitment to the hive standards.
Who's side are they on?
We know that were hive to become mass adopted many, many powerful rich people would be displaced by powerful, rich hivizens.
Instead of the bloodlines being the sole source of wealth, hive hodlers would replace them.
Instead of having to go to the secret meetings and doing the absolutely disgusting things that they do at these meetings, folks will have to do what it takes to make it to hive trending in the new paradigm.
(That movie is nsfw. The director was killed shortly after it was released.)
We've already had at least one swipe publicly made at us by them.
Are we going to tolerate a continued persistence of doing what makes hive fail?
But, anti, these people need to eat.
Yeah, and I need retirement money.
Every hive they sell is taking food out of my mouth.
Your's, too.
It's up to you, dear reader, do you want to wait around doing nothing while hive is sold down the river by the actions of the largest accounts, or do you want to start acting collectively to gain the largest advantage for all of us?
IF nobody sells hive for less than 5usd, the price is at 5usd.
There are only ~4k authors even getting rewards.
It seems a no brainer to act collectively to improve pay for creating posts.
We know that when the price rises user retention increases.
Giving hive to dumpers and buying it up cheap appears to be how 'they' intend to insure that hive doesn't succeed.
By voting rewards to those that dump, those that are buying get cheaper hive and centralize hive power to the point that nobody outside will buy in.
Eventually accumulating enough to push the price near zero all at once.
The current power to price ratio is not attractive to outside investment.
Current curation standards feed into this.
Qui bono?
You have to make your own decisions.
Clearly the way things have been done up to now has led to low prices and a lack of interest in the broader crypto market.
Continuing to do what we have done up to this point is only guaranteed to bring more of the same, imo.
Are you are tired of paying your masters to bomb children in far away places?
Perhaps it is time you pushed back on that.
A simple way that anybody can do that is to hoard your coins.
The fed buys coins at face value from the mint.
A dollar of change in your pocket is a dollar of value out of the banksters' pockets.
Stop playing in their shell game that allows them to play in the amusement parks from hell and shop in the human grocery stores.
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While I agree that selling tokens creates pressure on the price, I strongly disagree that pressure much matters to Hive. In 2016 when the platform emerged in a much smaller market of cryptos as Steem it's use case in social media was novel and theoretically would have enabled it to participate in the social media market, which was then, and is now, the biggest industry on Earth. Today we have fallen from 8th place on the crypto market cap chart to ~220, despite that massive advantage.
From circle jerks to bidbots, and finally to the conquest of Steem by Sun Yuchen and the creation of Hive, plutocratic governance of the platform has utterly failed to enable it to perform acceptably by any measure or metric you care to use. From curation rewards deranging curation into chasing ROI instead of promoting good content to narrative shaping on the platform by opinion flagging that has chased off the massive majority of users that tried to adopt this social media platform, including many 'influencers' with huge audiences that would have followed them here had they remained, plutocracy has failed us.
If we had been able to get social media right and prevent censorship Hive would be #1 on coinmarketcap's list today, because it has a vastly more valuable use case than BTC or any other crypto. It is because the claim of censorship resistance was blatantly false, and instead flags massively decentralized and facilitated censorship that Hive is teetering on the brink of ceasing operations today. If we had lived up to our potential to be a social media platform that resisted censorship, people could do any damn thing they wanted with their tokens and it wouldn't matter at all. Demanding HODL is desperation, and cannot create a useful crypto. Money needs velocity to be useful, and what you advocate is killing the utility of the token as money.
We have discussed this matter, and I do not expect my comment here to change your mind, so I will not spend hours flinging rhetorical points at you here. I just wanted to publicly state my disagreement that you have been long aware of. I want people to see that I upvoted your post, and that I disagree with you on this matter, so they can see that disagreement of opinion is not a valid reason to downvote on this platform. Downvotes should be reserved for spam, scams, and plagiarism, and when the aren't used to prevent those ills they are abused to destroy Hive.
HW today is downvoting several content creators for reasons other than those listed above, so that they cannot make a pfennig on any comment or post, and both @baah and @por500bolos are producing quality content that deserves support. From @skeptic to @logiczombie, many creators have been driven in this way from the platform, and HW IS KILLING HIVE instead of sticking to it's geas and preventing spam, scams, and plagiarism from killing Hive. Since both disease and cure are fatal to Hive, I can't say the cure is worse than the disease. They're both equally fatal.
Thanks!
Edit: oddly enough, I am perhaps the poster boy for your plan. I do not sell any rewards I receive on Hive. I only HODL. Just thought I should mention that.
No doubt about that.
Why one would think that web2 thinking would be a winning strategy in web3 is beyond me.
Clearly, we have a new paradigm forming that will be much, much more egalitarian.
Money needs to be valued enough that people want it, if we don't have that the velocity is all towards zero, or near zero.
I think that is playing out now in the price.
No.
This is not true.
Baah was doing ok until gtg put him on a downvote bot, likely as a result of baah being annoyingly correct, at times.
P5b recycled content, then went on a not totally irrational emotional tirade.
He could end this anytime he wants by bending the knee to hw's.
He did do what they claim he did.
I forget how lz came to be on the naughty list, but I do recall some verbal attacks on hive and a dumping of 20k+ hive.
No hivizen is going to be able to support that kind of behavior.
I think skeptic was the first gay porn spammer.
I was supporting him in his flag war with bernie, too.
He came back from like -37rep, and then flipped out.
I'm betting he lost his keys.
All things in the past.
The current crop of problems are not those, though these do persist in hive's reputation.
The viable escape route is still through powering up what we are given.
Indeed you are.
We disagree on many things, yet here we are being amiable.
No flag wars necessary.
@baah is quite abusive. I consider that a plus. However, he has been putting out well sourced informative posts for a long time, and any guff he flings is a test of the skin, not a reason for flags. He may post a lot of comments but he's not spamming some commercial opportunity, he's just overflowing with passion.
Reposting original content isn't a scam. It's regreening content past the 7 day window, and I reckon that's fine. It's certainly not a reason to drive yet another valuable creator off the platform, which is what is being attempted.
Cashing out some tokens and saying mean words to people isn't scamming, spamming, or plagiarism. It should never have drawn flags.
I agree about @skeptic, and still miss him.
The problem with flags is that they're too easy to fly, and that has lead to their abuse, rampant abuse. You're wrong to say that these are problems in the past. They're ongoing presently, except for @skeptic. The social interactions on this platform are what makes or breaks it. Lot's of social media platforms exist without tokens, and outperform Hive. The token is just a bonus, or should be. However, by downvoting censorship is ridiculously facilitated, and that makes the token a terrible burden on Hive. Frankly, I believe we'd be better off without a token at all.
If Hive is going to succeed, it is because the social media platform succeeds, and getting rid of Hive tokens altogether will eliminate the censorship problem Hive has. I'd allow we could still have tokens and potential to succeed if downvotes no longer were potential for other reasons than spam, scams, and plagiarism. Tokenomics are almost irrelevant otherwise.
All the flag wars and drama we have seen have been the anchor around our necks. It's been fun, but expensive. I always appreciate talking with my betters, so always enjoy talking to you.
Well, when you are right and people won't listen, one tends to get frustrated.
I don't blame him, I've read some of what he's said, and what's been said to him.
He is passionate in a way that is easy to take the wrong way.
Especially, when one is somewhat narrow minded.
So, get hw's scope amended.
Not reposting content has been a rule since before I got here.
P5b got here before I did, he knows the rules, and rolled the dice.
He is not alone in that.
He simply got caught.
I think he should apologize and move on, he has clearly had much clear conduct since this minor infraction occurred.
I also think the day of the content nazi is at an end.
People that come here and prove themselves 'real', as defined by not spamming, scamming, or plagiarizing have some deference coming when they color outside the lines, imo.
Nuking somebody that only needs correcting is overkill.
Which, honestly, is the current case.
The days of the bernster, et al, have been long gone.
The 'abused author' is a literal unicorn today.
I've been watching for them for years now.
If you follow along on https://hivetasks.com/@freebornsociety you will see what is getting upvotes and flags from most of the curators in the hive.
I can't follow all the upvoters, so I rotate, but I have the downvoters covered pretty well.
Just look at the flags and see if what you say applies to them.
If it does, ping me and I will look at it.
Then we can attempt to right any wrongs.
Collectively.
Perspective is important.
There is good and bad in us all.
We agree on this. Your ceaseless work to monitor this space is vastly underappreciated, certainly underfunded.
Nope! not before these snowflakes couldn't stand my straight eloquent reasons "in two different languages" and they failed to inject, process and digest those reasons into their stubborn & stupid little brains.
I get it, we should be able to 'regreen' content, but that isn't the consensus in the hive.
If we want to change that consensus we have to power up more hive than the ninjaminers piled up so that they could control all aspects of hive.
That could have been accomplished by now, but we vote rewards to people that dump them so that cheap hive is available to centralize the currency to a few accounts so that they can continue to force people to not 'regreen' content.
Look at how much hive you have dumped.
You could have been pulling out your curation rewards to keep them from going to the people persecuting you, but nope.
You could have been giving rewards to people that want to power up and change things, but that isn't what happened, is it?
If you have no power to vote, do you expect those with the power to not do what best suits them?
You would be in a much stronger position, if you hadn't dumped, imo.
Unfortunately, the tokenomics of HIVE was shot out of the water when the witnesses raised the interest on HBD to 20%.
We currently are paying over $126,000 interest each month.
The value of HBD comes from HIVE.
126,000 converted to HIVE at $0.30 is 420,000.
A dolphin account has 5550 HIVE. We need 75 new dolphins a month to pay the interest on the debt.
The stats become worse when one realize that people convert their HBD to HIVE when the market drops.
I would expect a mass conversion of up to 5 million HBD if the price of HIVE were to drop into the low teens.
I think it's a shame that the witnesses put the platform in jeopardy simply because a few whales wanted a large passive income on the wealth that the held.
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IF the people had powered up what they were given this would have played out by now.
The community would be in charge rather than a handful of accounts.
If we hope to climb out of this hole, we are gonna need people to power up and hold.
No. We are not paying $.01 in interest. That interest is paid in HBD, not dollars. It costs Hive nothing at all to pay that interest, because the people that are collecting that interest are rolling it into the interest bearing accounts, not spending it.
The numbers you're fiddling with do not mean what you think they mean.
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Years ago I was nuked repeatedly by Bernie for BS reason. Pretty much gave up for a while after and powered down. I agree with your sentiment though which is why I'm trying to build back up. Skin in the game.
We, the little people, could have enough powered up to run the place by now, collectively.
We don't really have a leader, nor want one, so it will take a group of us to set the example and make the culture into one we can be proud of.
Hive is down to what... 3000 users? Less?
The whales & top witnesses get all the $$ (as it has been since 2016)
The platform is centralized, censorship-ridden, and has lost more that 99% of the users who joined. There's a term for that - a dead platform.
Yet, here we still are, giving life to a 'dead' platform.
I hear MySpace has a few million still. Imagine being thousands of times more insignificant than MySpace.
If you are responding to somebody on a dead platform to say It is a dead platform then it's probably not a dead platform.
lol... stop making sense bro get out of here with that shit
That's your argument too, if you don't like it leave, or "clearly you're still here so you can't believe it's failing." Like retards, you deal in absolutes to cope with the decay and corruption, "well it's not completely dead, so clearly you're wrong".
Probably? What's the spread that it's a dead platform vs that it's not? Argument of the beard, it's not a beard just a strong stubble.
That's life in a plutocracy.
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Mm.. your suggestions seem reasonable. I also defend/suggest that a HIVE user should stake HIVE up to a certain HP like 5k or 10k.
Uhm, well... but that's already starting to sound like some sort of non-Cartesian mathematics or algebra.
Ah, however these statements actually does sound like a much more logical mathematics. LoL
Aa 70 rep account has had at least double that amount voted to them.
A 70 rep account with less than 10k hp has dumped at least that much on the market forcing down the price for everybody else.
A 70 rep account that has dumped more than half of what has been given them doesn't deserve to have a 70 rep, imo.
Nope! as you can see in the picture above, many times that class of weird math does not fit accurately to those terms. If in seven plus years we barely managed to accumulate half of those 10k, obviously the true reasons to not reach 10k is clearly other. But not because anyone has dumped anything anywhere.
Oh yeah, however I do agree with this big time. But only because I know very well the underground fishy mathematics which govern this equation these days. Which in general stand out much more in those accounts who currently have much more than a 70 rep.
That author hp is only half of what was voted to them.
We will have to ask somebody for the exact math of how reputation works, but we can always simply add it up in the transfers out in the wallet.
It looks like the curation rewards are kinda low in your pic.
I've only recently started powering up 100%, so that should be about half of what has been voted to that account.
I suspect price has an effect on the totals, too.
In any event, I would expect a number that we can agree on to be the consensus.
What numbers suit you?
Nope, I believe those values shown there in the pictures are the total of what you have accumulated from the beginning since you signed up for first time in the blockchain. In other words, your entire SP + HP earnings regardless of how many Power Downs and dumps you may have done over the years. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I fact, there's none that suits me. There are many variables in the process to take in account.
According to my criteria, in HP terms, the values shown in the pictures are the absolute total of what you have raised in your entire career within these "social networks" on the blockchain.
I've asked @fernandosoder to tell us in a dm.
I'm starting to suspect that price may influence the numbers quite a bit.
Maybe we can impose on Fernando to make us a list with reps and total rewards voted to get that rep?
Ok, let's wait and see what @fernandosoder says and clarifies on the matter.
Nope, not at all. HP is HP regardless of the Hive price on the market. The HP is just simple Hive that you have been earning as part of the rewards 50% & 50% of the setting you have selected when publishing a post and all the HBDs that you have converted to liquid Hive and that you have decided to Power Up.
Hmm, yes, that could be an interesting statistic to contemplate. };)
Vests determine payouts.
The post payout is derived from the number of rshares voted to a post.
Rshares are converted to vests and then to hbd and hp, is my understanding of the mechanics.
Rshares and vests relate to hp and hbd through the price variations.
When hive price goes up more hbd is awarded.
Yep that's true. But as I understand it, that does not affect anything in relation to the All Time HP numbers, figures & amounts that appear in the Hivetasks pictures.
Uhm, I realize that although the rest of the discussion is still related to the main idea, I get the impression that somehow we have gone off on a tangent and deviated a bit from the main topic.
It all started when you say you believe, and that's how you have insinuated it, that any account in Hive that has reached a reputation of 70 should at least have accumulated and present today an HP of at least 10k.
And what I've tried to clarify and demonstrate. Is that some of us here with a 70 rep, have not managed to earn and accumulate 10k Hive in rewards, earnings and payouts. Not even if we add the HP that came to us directly as HP plus the liquid Hive & HBD that we have been earning if we had decided to Power Up all of it. And in my case, not even by working here for more than seven years and regardless of the few times that I've been forced to Power Down and withdraw some money in fiat.
In my opinion, I think I must have earned about 5.8k or 6k Hive at most throughout these seven years.
I'm still waiting on an answer.
I have two accounts with 72 reps, ones says ~9k and the other says 6500 so we will have to get an answer to whether hivetasks shows a total or half.
I'm guessing half because I have double that amount in hp.
These are the hp's of the page I am on in hivebuzz.
Mine is the 5th one down and matches what hivetasks says.
We need an explanation as to why there is so much variation in the amounts.
Yeah bro, don't get entangled too much. You can currently have double, triple or ten times the HP indicated by both Hivetasks and Hivebuzz. But that's only because you may have purchased Hive in the market that you Powered Up or because you've rented it or had it delegated to you by someone else.
While what Hivetasks shows in the pictures I gave you and what Hivebuzz shows in its statistics, is exclusively the HP that you actually have earned from "curation rewards" through the upvotes you have given and the "author rewards" you have earned through the upvotes that others have given to your own content. Posts and comments. :)
There is no variation really. What Hivetasks and Hivebuzz indicate is only the HP you have earned during the entire time you have been in the chain, but exclusively coming from your content curation and content production. It doesn't matter how much HP you currently may have in your wallet that comes from other sources. That's all.
By the way... could you guess which accounts these two pictures belong to?
I'd guess they rank pretty high in the hivebuzz rankings.
Well, not so much. The first one has a Rep. of mere 60 and the second only Rep. 71. ¿Surprised?