RE: Is Hive Watcher's doing a good job?
You are viewing a single comment's thread:
Hi @niallon11
It would be probably better to check up on the actual proposal and discover a bit about the HW's actual activity. It is 290/day not 350/day.
For the marketing campaign, there is already a proposal running called "Value Plan".
https://hivel.ink/valueplan/@valueplan/q3-value-plan-proposal
If you have marketing ideas, you are welcome to forward them to @guityparties.
Regarding, themarkymark.
He has considered himself a Hive Blockchain martyr who has always done all the abuse fighting himself (that is limited to triggering his downvote bot on some accounts to auto-clear rewards on day 6) while no one else did any abuse fighting. At the same time, he has never done a single investigation on a single post to look for plagiarism, identity theft, etc.
He has been running the same tape "Steemcleaners/Hivewatchers do not deserve anything and I do all abuse fighting" since 2016. Our project/proposal is not the only one. He attacks all proposals. Maybe it's because he tried a proposal once and it never got a pass.
Since 2016, we have already explained in detail to him multiple times what tasks abuse fighting constitutes. The last time was in January.
Wow "only" 290$.
For what?
Please answer it in my Post from yesterday, hope you read it and Answer the other Questions, too.
For blacklisting people like me, for example. In 2023, February, i have big problem with these people, or, maybe, 1-3 people, that claims to be hive watchers here. The discussion then is going about 2 months with these people, and they blocked , or blacklisted me, just because i use AI to beauty my posts. Now, a year after, PeakD has implemented AI for all the pople here, without no problems. But I'm still on the blacklist, so... That's are our great Salvation, the Hive Watchers here.
If you wish, you can look in my history of comments, and you will see, what a big-big discussion has been there, on many posts, and they blacklisted my comments too, so, they have that power... We don't. And we should use this as a free and decentralized community. It is not, it is just an illusion, what we are thinking the Hive is.
So, take a look on my journey and look at my comments about a year ago, and you will see, what a problems we have here, and who are these people in Hive Watchers. They use the power of others to punish self wishes and whistles. They blocked me before they have any of project there about how to use AI, or anything about AI. They just blacklisted people, just because some of them, don't like AI. Therefore, I have stop posting on Hive. They expect that all people should known all what they (self's) want. And that's b.s.
They create just problems here on Hive, but they claim they are like the gods here. They don't listen to us, people. If they think, someone make a mistake, they should first contact that person, and say, hey, look, do not use this, or do not do this, because of this. And if someone keep doing that thing, then blacklisting them, but not, without warning, without anything, just go and blacklisting all people, for example, who have used AI. Today, anything is AI. So what now? do we close the Hive?
We need to un-power this Hive watchers team, and create another one, with voting, and now polling too. Not just blindly keep giving power to these people in that hivewatchers tema what is now.
Folks, remove the voting and your HP given to this people in Hive Watchers tema, immediately, before they destroy the Hive. Great people go away from Hive, everyday. They go to blurp.blog, or bastyon.com, or minds.com, ...
Guys, we need to come to an agreement and simply delete this hive watchers team (2-3 people) from the tron forever. Otherwise we risk the title of this post.
Here are a few more posts from back then, where we had, so to speak, a very, very big discussion, but, to no avail, they just do what they want:
Post they made 2 months after they blacklisted me because before, they didn't have one:
https://peakd.com/ai/@hivewatchers/ai-generated-content-not-original-content#@elameadows/re-obsesija-sdc4mc
Then, this:
https://peakd.com/hive-157935/@emma-h/human-says-no#@obsesija/re-emma-h-rrg5uu
And this post:
https://peakd.com/hive-167922/@whatsup/the-great-ai-debate-and-hive-watchers#@valued-customer/re-obsesija-rrndw8
and this one:
https://peakd.com/hive-167922/@whatsup/the-great-ai-debate-and-hive-watchers#@galenkp/re-obsesija-rrjanf
... and this one too:
https://peakd.com/hive-167922/@edicted/ai-content-is-too-easy#@arc7icwolf/re-obsesija-202338t163639458z
Please look at all the comments there, there are a lot of comments (mine are hidden almost everywhere, because the big HW team made it so that other people shouldn't see my comments, too much information from me about who they are, etc what they do.)
Greetings
I miss your posts.
Post moar.
Thanks!
I can't post, because, I'm on the blacklist, and, if I would post anything, all of my rewards would be removed, automatically.
Hope, some days, we have that decentralized group of people, or accounts, that represent real Hivewatchers, voted from people to people.
Or maybe, we create another Hive ecosystem, outside of this one.
We just need the developers should be aware of this problems too, and hope, that they would see the difficult of the problems HW create on Hive.
But, I have been worked on my own web site for food:
https://kuvaj-peci.top
you can visit it. Recipes are just in Serbian, for now, but the Web site is multilang, so the recipes would be translated on some point.
Many thanks
I am happily surprised to note you remain active here despite the censorship that reduces your ability to benefit from using the platform. If it would help incentivize you to remain here, I can add you to the few censored voices I donate 1/4 of my author rewards to.
You have but to let me know. I deeply appreciate folks here that aren't pandering suckups, that state forthrightly such facts they are in possession of, that rattle the bars of the financial cage Hive has become dominated by the censorship ring the oligarchy uses to repress Hive growth so they don't become little fish in a larger pond IRL stake would snap up like the minnows Hive whales are, as Steem demonstrated.
Avarice is the enemy of societal felicity, here as everywhere. It is good to find principled people in an environment filled with sycophants and coprophagic parasites worming their way up whales' alimentary tracts.
Edit: I can't translate your site yet using Brave, that provides some translation into English. Let me know if you manage to get some translation going so I can make heads or tails out of the content you provide there. I'm sure I'd be interested in it.
@cheetah used to do that. It was vastly preferable. However, there is a group that is censoring Hive users, and @cheetah didn't cut it for them. They are throwing their stake at flagging people they don't like, not spam, scams, and plagiarism, and they've all but killed Hive - to keep the rewards pool for themselves.
HW and Steemcleaners are some of their weapons, and everything you've said is truthful and factually correct. I was part of those confrontations back in 2023, and I firmly support your statements to this day.
Hi @valued-customer many thanks for your support in this regards.
I hope that people who gave them power, do the un-powering some day, and that we can create a more decentralized one, voting with pools now, and not just with voting power.
I miss that Hive community too, because, i invest many years to build my reputation, and my profile here, but, because of them, i stop posting, because, they have me on their blacklist.
Hope some days the HW is gone, and the new generation of decentralized HW would be created, and then, i will post again.
Many thanks for all.
Greetings
You originally asked and got paid $350/day (blindly and immediately, even before you had a single comment on your proposal) until enough people made a stink about it and you reduced it to keep the gravy train going.
Hi hivewatchers.
Regardless of $290 or $350 where is that funding going to and why would you need $105K per year to downvote a few posts???
I've reread your proposal and it's vague. Without clear guidelines, instructions or help for people wanting to deal with your team. The website has not been developed and overall it's a small group of people exerting control over the community as it sees fit often to the detriment of that same community.
Where is the breakdown of these costs.
Why is there no clear list of infringements and related penalties.
Why is there no proper structure for reporting, disputing and process.
Where is the breakdown of value saved for the community as you claim.
Where is the cost of all the decent users that have been driven away by your downvotes.
Just zeroing rewards from users is not helping the platform or it's community.
We only have about 5000 active bloggers so these costs are absurd and this set up is not working for the majority of the community. The only reason that it has funding is due to @smooth and @blocktrades voting it.
I don't care about themarkymark. I'm not a huge fan of his. He has done both good and bad for hive but i agree with him on this current topic and have never been afraid to speak my mind. It's not my first year on hive and i've seen the damage that flagging has done over those years setting us back years in terms of user growth and retention.
This is false. There are many other voters. If I unvoted it, for example, it would still be funded (which would not be the case if @blocktrades were the only remaining vote).
Furthermore, if either or both of us changed our vote, there is no way to know how other stakeholders might respond by also changing their votes, potentially changing the outcome yet again.
Your conception of how DHF voting works is a bit off.
Firstly, good to see you still around. Been a long time since i saw your name pop up in a comment section.
Fair enough. Your 6m (inc proxy) wouldn't drop it below the return proposal.
I do know how it works and i did say due to you both supporting it.
But blocktrades 23M and your 6M is roughly 80% of the support for the proposal from just two accounts. Not very reflective of community or decentralized.
Now i can't predict the outcomes but if you both stopped supporting it then it's hard to see the proposal getting over the return limit.
What you're ignoring is that there may well be other large stakeholders would vote for it if one or both of us didn't.
I can tell you for sure that I don't bother to vote for some proposals even if I support them for the simple reason that I see they're already approved and they don't need my vote. If they started to drop down too much on the list, I'd vote for them.
Anyway, the point I'm making is that voting is dynamic and you can't look at static votes as telling the conclusive "reason" why it is or isn't approved.
You are falsely denying you and blocktrades have controlling stake, just as BlackRock does of corporations, without have the majority of stake.
Suckups pander to you whales. Quit being disingenuous.
I own about 1.5% of Hive.
And BlackRock at al gain controlling interest in stock corporations with as little as 5-10%. Investors largely follow leaders that demonstrate facility attaining ROI, which is why it's calleda controlling interest, rather than a majority interest.
By Blackrock et al, you mean Blackrock + Vanguard + State Street + Fidelity + Other similar.
Even excluding the others, they usually own about 20%+
The first three. It's true they usually have a larger stake than 10%. Different solutions needed for different problems. Hive is remarkably stable with ~3 dozen whales, at least since I've been aboard, and that creates plenty of opportunity to shmooz and coordinate, which I am confident you do well, as does Dan.
You can believe what you like but I don't coordinate anything with anyone. I have only the vaguest notion of who the whales are at this point, other than BT, who I don't know well and don't communicate with regularly.
Well, as I noted, appearances can be deceiving. I appreciate your cordial reply.
Yeah why are you so different
Judging after some appearance you fucking fascists asshole
That is the opposite of what I said. What I said was:
Because of your misunderstanding of the meaning of language and it's consequences, while I state:
You state:
You judge yourself. It's not the fact you speak that is the problem. It's the content of your speech that reveals who you are. Perhaps you'd be less pitiable and despicable if you weren't so evil. Give it a try.
Should I quote you on how you fucked up quoting me?
No self-reflection
How are appearances deceiving? Cuz you short-mindedly judge
Go ahead and hunt me "evil" away from this platform and my country, join the fascists.
I dont give a fuck, that's why I am here.
Yes. If you quote me, you will have to at least see what I did say, even if you don't understand it. At least that will give you an opportunity to attempt comprehension, which clearly has escaped you at the moment.
here, you are talking as if I was hivewatcher
spamming me with your projections, defending fascists openly telling me they want to hunt me out of the country, judge me for downvoting such an "opinion" (as you call it)
and then crying about my replies to your spam, defending me
fuck you, projecting matter-less being
https://peakd.com/hive-104500/@theycallmemarky/is-hive-watchers-doing-a-good-job#@valued-customer/re-woelfchen-sdn61z
https://peakd.com/hive-104500/@theycallmemarky/is-hive-watchers-doing-a-good-job#@valued-customer/re-woelfchen-sdn8ca
https://peakd.com/hive-104500/@theycallmemarky/is-hive-watchers-doing-a-good-job#@valued-customer/re-woelfchen-sdn8wx
https://peakd.com/hive-104500/@theycallmemarky/is-hive-watchers-doing-a-good-job#@valued-customer/re-woelfchen-sdnp6d
https://peakd.com/hive-104500/@theycallmemarky/is-hive-watchers-doing-a-good-job#@valued-customer/re-woelfchen-sdnpmx
my condensed reply:
https://peakd.com/hive-104500/@woelfchen/re-valued-customer-sdqqfw
Instead of quoting me, you tried to link to the comments, but because there's so many comments you just linked to the original post by Marky. All the links above just go to his OP.
Anyway, don't bother. I have realized you're in crisis and are having a psychotic break. What you need to is get together with a real human being you love and trust, and quit deranging yourself by ranting at your computer. Please get the help you need.
No, they dont.
They go to the exact comment, do not open them in new tabs.
Stop projecting onto me, you psychopaths, I can insult and hate your actions without being as you fascistically project the world to be.
You will be shocked even more, how people will continue to react to your out-of-control normopathy.
So far he's the only one making sense, you are very much deranged by interjecting that reply that triggered you into screeching at whatever hypocrisy or deception you thought you noticed yet you can't even put into a words, let alone a succinct response and you're so deranged that you believe you can project people as persons separate from their actions, because hating their actions doesn't mean you hate the person, the clickytyclack making sense is a sure sign you're deranged and projecting. Image thinking you're the 'good guy' though..
lol you just do exactly what you compain about
you can't even put into word what you want to communicate to me without all the degenerated crap words in between
anyway, you do not even need to try, cuz I will not argue about any random projections (no matter if by you or anyone else) - I got more important stuff to do than dispute with giant babys on the internet WHO IS RIGHT - you havent even understood the basics and still want to press your worldview onto others like god-damn fascists
keep on projecting, who even cares
you can go to whoever and project onto them some hivewatcher shit, while even knowing better that I have zero to do with it
you can do that with random other people, you can talk to some random "AI"
just leave me alone, shut up with ur craps, I dont want to hear it
and now don't come to me and cry how I want to shut you up.
I cannot and I do not have this power. But I can still say: shut the fuck up
Leave me alone, I have not allowed you to harass and coerce me into interaction.
It is my right to refuse and you have absolutely no power over me.
psycho
Especially if I don't give a fuck and especially after @valued-customer defends people that literally threathen to hunt me off HIVE and even out of MY COUNTRY GERMANY (no worry, I will leave this gulag voluntarily)
Ever heard of free speech?
Shut up and fuck you all, assholes
Ever heard of free speech?
but what do I even tell you, you cannot even differentiate between persons and their actions
you are just like fascists, just turning it around
go join the fascist "anti-fascists" and hunt and kill people who you believe to be evil
go party in your extinction crap
just leave us alone
keep screeching, but I wont care anymore, I also stopped with anti-abuse after @valued-customer asking me so kindly
good luck
I realize you surmount ESL to muddle through communicating in English here, which is admirable. The inability to understand my statements isn't just from the language barrier, however.
You've clearly suffered some kind of psychotic break recently, which is apparent in the dramatic and vivid changes in your posts and comments. You project your deranged hallucinations onto me without any rational basis and I just have no edumacation in dealing with florid psychosis, so can only respectfully suggest you seek such loving family or friends as are available to provide care you need.
I hope you reach out to people you love and that love you, so you get through this and recover your reason, which I knew you to express in the past.
Well said!
!WEED !MEME !PGM
Credit: atheistrepublic
Earn Crypto for your Memes @ HiveMe.me!
please finally just suck his dick and leave me alone
go jerk with some fascists germans
you are a great fit
I will also not argue with you about your fucked up projections
go choose someone else you can whine on about hivewatcher
We could have done something better than Hivewatcher, YEARS AGO, but you idiots did not care
Keep whining
you probably also have the psychotic break - as you just keep projecting
truly an absolutely perfect fit, probably the ultimate fit with @indextrader24
best luck, leave me alone, I dont give a fuck about your hope
you will get what you deserve
FAKE HIVE POLICE
HIVE IS DEAD
HIVE IS ONE BIG FARM
!LOL !WEED !MEME
https://hive.blog/hive-104387/@bpcvoter3/se19g2
Downvoted BY HIVE FARMERS
6 days ago in #life by slobberchops (81)$0.00
Reply 3
Sort: Trending
[-]bpcvoter2 (-5)(1) 4 days ago · Will be hidden due to low rating
NO DOWNVOTES FOR MARKY MARK'S SELF VOTING !WEED
https://hive.blog/life/@slobberchops/re-gogreenbuddy-sdr1wb
https://www.publish0x.com/the-dark-side-of-hive
https://www.reddit.com/r/stoptheabuseonhive/
https://peakd.com/hive-164833/@bilpcoinbpc/you-have-all-witnessed-this-account-being-downvoted-to-a-negative-reputation-for-no-reason
SHAME ON YOU ALL SAD PEOPLE WHO SCAM LIE AND FARM HIVE AND HIVERS
[-]acidyo (82) 3 months ago
Haha at "I shouldn't make commercial" :D Maybe something to worry about when you have more youtube subscribers! Quite interesting content though, these things should get more subs on there and here.
$4.28
1 vote
Reply
[-]gogreenbuddy (67) 3 months ago
Yeah thought that was funny too
$4.54
4 votes
gogreenbuddy: $4.47
acidyo: $0.06
holbein81: $0.01
koleso: -$0.00
https://hive.blog/life/@gogreenbuddy/i-had-to-give-up-on-my-gabion-fencing-too-much-work
@themarkymark @buildawhale farm
HE MAKES CURATION REWARDS WITH ALL HIS ALT ACCOUNTS BURNING TOKENS LIKE THIS DOES NOT TAKE OLD TOKENS IT MINTS NEW ONES AND BURNS THEM
https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@bilpcoinbpc/the-power
https://www.bilpcoin.com/hive-167922/@bilpcoinbpc/the-power
Credit: fun.miner
Earn Crypto for your Memes @ HiveMe.me!
and again:
fuck you
ever heard of free speech?
the only reason I am here
to say even more fuck you to people like you, who try to do their psycho games
FAKE HIVE POLICE
HIVE IS DEAD
HIVE IS ONE BIG FARM
!LOL !WEED !MEME
https://hive.blog/hive-104387/@bpcvoter3/se19g2
Downvoted BY HIVE FARMERS
6 days ago in #life by slobberchops (81)$0.00
Reply 3
Sort: Trending
[-]bpcvoter2 (-5)(1) 4 days ago · Will be hidden due to low rating
NO DOWNVOTES FOR MARKY MARK'S SELF VOTING !WEED
https://hive.blog/life/@slobberchops/re-gogreenbuddy-sdr1wb
https://www.publish0x.com/the-dark-side-of-hive
https://www.reddit.com/r/stoptheabuseonhive/
https://peakd.com/hive-164833/@bilpcoinbpc/you-have-all-witnessed-this-account-being-downvoted-to-a-negative-reputation-for-no-reason
SHAME ON YOU ALL SAD PEOPLE WHO SCAM LIE AND FARM HIVE AND HIVERS
[-]acidyo (82) 3 months ago
Haha at "I shouldn't make commercial" :D Maybe something to worry about when you have more youtube subscribers! Quite interesting content though, these things should get more subs on there and here.
$4.28
1 vote
Reply
[-]gogreenbuddy (67) 3 months ago
Yeah thought that was funny too
$4.54
4 votes
gogreenbuddy: $4.47
acidyo: $0.06
holbein81: $0.01
koleso: -$0.00
https://hive.blog/life/@gogreenbuddy/i-had-to-give-up-on-my-gabion-fencing-too-much-work
@themarkymark @buildawhale farm
HE MAKES CURATION REWARDS WITH ALL HIS ALT ACCOUNTS BURNING TOKENS LIKE THIS DOES NOT TAKE OLD TOKENS IT MINTS NEW ONES AND BURNS THEM
https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@bilpcoinbpc/the-power
https://www.bilpcoin.com/hive-167922/@bilpcoinbpc/the-power
Credit: orionvk
Earn Crypto for your Memes @ HiveMe.me!
Not gonna read all that but nice try.
!WEED !MEME !PGM
Credit: filosof103
Earn Crypto for your Memes @ HiveMe.me!
your degenerated attention span wont let you
go back to your extinction idiots
I'm sure that makes sense in your moronic sense.
Why are idiots such epic losers?
You doing ok over there?
Haven't seen you in a while.
FAKE HIVE POLICE
HIVE IS DEAD
HIVE IS ONE BIG FARM
!LOL !WEED !MEME
https://hive.blog/hive-104387/@bpcvoter3/se19g2
Downvoted BY HIVE FARMERS
6 days ago in #life by slobberchops (81)$0.00
Reply 3
Sort: Trending
[-]bpcvoter2 (-5)(1) 4 days ago · Will be hidden due to low rating
NO DOWNVOTES FOR MARKY MARK'S SELF VOTING !WEED
https://hive.blog/life/@slobberchops/re-gogreenbuddy-sdr1wb
https://www.publish0x.com/the-dark-side-of-hive
https://www.reddit.com/r/stoptheabuseonhive/
https://peakd.com/hive-164833/@bilpcoinbpc/you-have-all-witnessed-this-account-being-downvoted-to-a-negative-reputation-for-no-reason
SHAME ON YOU ALL SAD PEOPLE WHO SCAM LIE AND FARM HIVE AND HIVERS
[-]acidyo (82) 3 months ago
Haha at "I shouldn't make commercial" :D Maybe something to worry about when you have more youtube subscribers! Quite interesting content though, these things should get more subs on there and here.
$4.28
1 vote
Reply
[-]gogreenbuddy (67) 3 months ago
Yeah thought that was funny too
$4.54
4 votes
gogreenbuddy: $4.47
acidyo: $0.06
holbein81: $0.01
koleso: -$0.00
https://hive.blog/life/@gogreenbuddy/i-had-to-give-up-on-my-gabion-fencing-too-much-work
@themarkymark @buildawhale farm
HE MAKES CURATION REWARDS WITH ALL HIS ALT ACCOUNTS BURNING TOKENS LIKE THIS DOES NOT TAKE OLD TOKENS IT MINTS NEW ONES AND BURNS THEM
https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@bilpcoinbpc/the-power
https://www.bilpcoin.com/hive-167922/@bilpcoinbpc/the-power
Credit: shaungerow
Earn Crypto for your Memes @ HiveMe.me!
Here's a marketing idea: quit flagging our marketing team. Everyone that posts content here AND elsewhere draws eyeballs here. That's marketing.
Quit killing the golden goose.
SCUMBAGS
4 days ago in #life by tarazkp (84)$0.00
Reply 2
Sort: Trending
[-]bpcvoter2 (-5)(1) 2 days ago · Will be hidden due to low rating
Team marky @gogreenbuddy part of the @markymark @buildawhale @usainvote @apeminingclub @makerhacks @upmyvote @punkteam @rollingbones @theycallmemarky @memess @blockheadgames @leovoter @ipromote gang
MARKY STOP THE DOWNVOTE ABUSE STOP SELF VOTING WITH ALL THESE ALT ACCOUNTS