What is Your Opinion on How HIVE-Engine Handled Attacks Against It?

Evil exists in the world and it manifest in many different ways. Sometimes there are horrors and atrocities and at other times there are roadblocks against good things. Decentralized projects repeatedly get attacked at many places and in many ways. Through our fights against these attacks, we can build resilient like an immune system that get better when it survive a disease. Although it is not the end of the world, HIVE-Engine has been getting attacked for some time.

The free transactions were making it easier with the attacker simply renting Resource Credits when necessary. This is one of the few downsides of making a blockchain as cheap as possible to use. Overall I think the steps taken are necessary and most users are not affected by them.

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Response From @aggroed on Discord

Hive Engine users, for the past several months Hive Engine has been experiencing a consistent spam attack. Malicious users are deliberately putting multiple transactions per block and spamming them from multiple accounts frequently in an effort to delay block processing and disturb regular use of Hive Engine. This has at times knocked witnesses out of rotation, delayed processing times, gotten RPCs off track, and caused other similar problems.

Our first approach to squash this malicious spam was to simply limit the number of transactions that a user could put in a single block. That has been an effective measure to slow the attack, but it didn't fully solve the problem as we've noticed an increase in annoying spam meant to cause delays processing blocks even with this transaction limit per block. These asshats simply made more accounts.

As a second approach we're implementing a transaction fee into hive engine transactions. Human users will not be impacted. This fix is going live on Monday May 26th, 2025. From that day forward any time an account requests multiple transactions in the same block (which is something only bots do) it will carry a 0.001 BEED/tx fee. You need to simply have BEED in your account and the contract will burn the appropriate amount of BEED at the time the multi-tx transaction occurs. If the account does not have the appropriate amount of BEED then the transactions will be denied.

If you don't know what BEED is it's a HBD equivalent for the hive engine platform. Users can burn a dollars worth of $bee (currently near 10 BEE) and receive a $BEED coin designed to have a stable value near $1/BEED. It's similar to how users can convert a certain amount of hive (currently near 4) into 1 HBD. Impacted users can purchase BEED on the market or use the BEE Dollar contract to convert BEE to BEED.

In the near future we'll be increasing the fee per transaction, but also allowing accounts to join a multi-tx exception list on a monthly basis that enables an account to not have to pay this fee. The anticipated monthly cost is 10BEED. The new multi-tx cost will increase to 0.1/TX/block (if you have 18 TX in a block you'll have to pay 1.8 BEED to process it or 10 BEED/Month to join the to list skip the requirement). This is admittedly meant to encourage all the bots to sign up for the monthly cost and help us track the activity of all the bots to make it easier to look for spam, abuse, and harm.

This monthly cost is not meant to be punitive to the current bot users. It's also not meant to impact human users as humans do not perform multi-tx transactions. If your bot can't generate $10 worth of value every month it doesn't make sense for us to host the transactions anyway or you can simply space your bots transactions out over time via single transaction blocks. While this is a minor financial inconvenience to someone with a handful of bots (and actually seems appropriate to charge high transaction volume users a small use fee, fee goes to BEE holders and not @ hive-engine) it is in fact a major financial inconvenience to someone with a large botnet and bad intentions towards Hive Engine as every bot spamming the platform will incur costs.

Further, we're introducing a "throttle list," which brings accounts down to 1 transaction per day. Accounts that are purposefully spamming Hive Engine with repetitive, random, or intentionally harmful transactions which appear to generate no value for Hive Engine or Hive Engine users will be put on the throttle list and may only do 1 transaction per day. Changing witness votes with 200 hundred accounts a thousand times a day per account is an example of a repetitive transactions with no value to hive engine. Bots that have paid for the monthly access simply to spam will find that their access to the list is cut off and their account is instead placed on the throttle list. The goal is not to block or steal assets. The point is to make sure accounts intentionally causing harm are blocked from doing so. We may later include a complete blackout list which would disable all transactions for a fiercely malicious account or botnet of them, but for now our next step is to limit to 1/tx per day.

The throttlelist is part of a contract, and contracts on Hive Engine are centralized. the @ hive-engine account and other accounts deputized by @ hive-engine can add and remove accounts from this list. It is however part of a contract and requires witnesses to allow hive-engine to add or remove names from the list. If I or deputies abuse this or any reason the witnesses deem appropriate they can block the @ hive-engine account, it's deputies, or the contract specifically from being updated. This balance allows for fast reaction time via a centralized authority, but also a distributed authority to make sure the central authority isn't abusing this power to stop bots generally from contracting on the Hive Engine platform.

This still leaves the possibility that one bad actor may create a hundred thousand accounts and spam 1 transaction per account per day, but there other costs associated with creating and enabling 100,000 accounts such that we think the risk is currently low for that kind of attack.
I'd like to thank the witnesses generally for their discussion on this topic as we designed a system with low impact on human users that could stop malicious bots from their network spam. I would like to thank endecs, bamlolx, and drewlongshot for coding this update, and eonwarped for reviewing and helping to implement it.

If you feel that you or your bot are going to be adversely affected-

  • You can move your bot to single transactions and not face any fees.
  • You can hold BEED in your account and pay the 0.001 BEED fee per transaction you log in a single block.
  • You can contact me directly to be added manually to the multi-tx exception list where if you're on it your account does not have to pay the 0.001 BEED fee per transaction in a block (we're adding the feature where you can pay 10 BEED per month or in advance and keep your spot on this list, but it's all manual as of the deployment in a week)
  • You can stop your bot if it's not producing 10 BEED worth of value in a month but doing tens of thousands of transactions
  • you can stop purposefully spamming us with worthless transactions simply to cause harm to the platform, or continue to do it for fun but with a new price for that enjoyment.

We've received some initial feedback on our plans and are adapting slightly. Many well meaning community bots distribute rewards and are heavily reliant on tokens-stake, tokens-transfer, and tokens-issue. Upon initial release we're excluding those three transaction types from the from mult-tx fee requirements. These specific transactions are all lightweight in terms of processing time and are not a suspected primary attack vector. We'll monitor after initial roll out, and if we decide to ultimately include these 3 token contract actions we'll give 30 days or more notice at such time

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I am not worried about the attacks against the Hive Engine that much.

Hive Engine is obviously not a KYC (Know Your Customer) required platform, and most of the Hive Engine tokens are nearly worthless anyway.

Attacks on KYC required platforms are much more dangerous.

Because the hackers could get access to very sensitive data in this case, for example ID cards.

This is very dangerous.

Especially against big companies with lots of users.

For example the attack against Coinbase (BBC article) in the recent past.

Nowadays Coinbase is the world's one of the biggest cryptocurrency firms, and I also used it in the past.

And the thought that hackers can impersonate you is more scary that the possibility of losing cryptocurrency, because you can lose much more in this case.

You can lose your job(s) (if you have any), all of your money, and you can even go into debt, depending on what the hackers would do with your personal data and with your identity (if they choose to impersonate you, of course).

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Data is safer and privacy is better protected on a DEX. The problem is networking coming to a halt or a slowdown because of the attacks. If the user experience is not good or if the blockchain/sidechain is not working, users tend to pick a CEX to do their trading.

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This can be applied to everything in general.

If the user experience is not good, then the users choose something else.

This is obvious.

And this is why nowadays I rather spend little time on Hive.

Mostly cent payouts, low amount of (often visibly forced) comments. No or very little actual interests in the contents.

Not worth it.

My time is worth much more than a few cents and a few (often forced) comments.

Even beggar homeless people earn more, and I saw this with my own eyes.

I rather try to build real life connections, relationships, friendships, and I rather use other, socially properly working social networks and platforms to communicate with other people.

Nowadays I use Hive mostly to write for myself (document my life), and as an investment platform.

I spend very little time online.

And I do what is working, and what is worth it.

I invest money mostly from occasional jobs to build passive income for long term.

This side of the Hive blockchain is very good, for example currently the 15% APR interest rate of the Hive Dollars (HBD) savings (it was 20% APR in the past, but the 15% APR is still very good).

But Hive is nowadays really bad as a content publishing platform, even with unique content, because of the general lack of real content consumers, who would be actually be interested in the content.

There are a selected few people, who are successful on Hive as a content creator, but most people's posts are ignored/overlooked/undervalued because of the above mentioned thing.

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This is mainly a product of low active users, Whale voting patters and low $HIVE price. I want to see things change during this bull market. I will remain cautiously optimistic.

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