The Privacy vs Security Trap

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My brother and I have been working on a big app for Hive for the better part of seven months now. From the initial planning, the testing, the research and everything in between, we've been arguing, discussing, and coding for hours every single day.

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Just the other day we finally reached the “happy path,” and we began celebrating a bit. It reminded me very much of when I'm almost done building an instrument. When you string up a guitar, tune it, and strum the first chords, you think you’re finished. Deceptively, it feels like just one final push and it’s finito. But that is never — and I do mean never — the case.

Last night my wife started asking me some difficult questions about the app’s security. She had concerns, and they weren’t concerns I could simply dismiss. After all, these are exactly the kinds of blind spots that can destroy months of effort.

At that point I decided to take a nap and let my mind drift elsewhere. It’s frustrating to see what feels like the end — the checkered flag — and suddenly realize you're not close yet. But I appreciate her input. I value it. Don’t get me wrong.

It’s a difficult balance, you see. The balance between privacy and security.

How do you provide security to users without becoming invasive? Without requesting personal information? If there is no threat, no possibility of legal consequences for bad actors, how do you keep those bad actors away?

I say this knowing full well there is absolutely no way to make a system that is one hundred percent safe. God knows the world of crypto is the most unsafe corner of the internet. One look inside Telegram rooms tells you everything you need to know, and that is precisely the type of environment I wish we could avoid.

Some people will say — and I hear them — that it comes down to educating the user. Teaching best practices and whatnot. Yes, that too. But unless the world suddenly becomes a “manual-reading majority,” we are bound to lead people toward cliffs.

I realize I might be breaking some unwritten rules here, but I don’t see another way out.

For this app to work, service providers may have to self-dox.

Even as I write that, I feel the weight of those words. But I truly don’t see another solution.

And at that point… aren’t we just falling back into KYC shenanigans?

To say that I'm conflicted would be putting it mildly.

— MenO



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Sure it is not ideal to be forced to think for everybody all the time. Though since most users are not using their brain much anymore, or lets say the less and less, i do not want to be in your position at all.
When i started working with computers in 1999, and with the rebellious and privacy loving character i already was, i knew that i needed to find a way. So, to be sure i'll 'never' exist in the matrix, i found a special way and have therefor a few different email accounts to be present online. The one to test out, the one to give to the ones in need and so on... up to the encrypted privat mail.
I didn't, i don't and never will trust anything based on zeros and ones. While working as a webmaster at the time, i even tried to give this importance to everyone i was working for/with. For sure i do hope that people would use the net in the 'same' way. It would help definitely many, even dev's i guess...
Isn't it good to have dreams... :grimace:

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we had a good brainstorming session with my bro... i think we found the compromise.... i think.

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I'm not surprised... you guys are special for sure.

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By instinct, I tend to fall on the "Privacy" side of the fence. Possibly as a reaction against big tech's endless drive for control disguised as security.

I think the real question is whether it is possible to provide an adequate level of security (accepting it'll never be perfect) without requiring people to dox themselves. What I wonder is whether it can be delivered through coding and processes.

So for example, if we're talking 3Speak, you could get together a group of trusted people of each of the groups involved, from coders, to admins, to content creators, to viewers both within Hive and external to it. Get them to try to think up the shadiest shit they could do in their role, then work out how to defend against it without compromising privacy.

For example, it might be something as simple as blocking the use of links (or non-Hive links) in comments. Or it might be the need to have a set of policies relating to adult or really dodgy content, with a reporting mechanism. A select group of Hivers (possibly using anonymous accounts to protect them from interference) would act as admins and review reported (and potentially hidden) content in some kind of dashboard (NOT Discord, lol). They could vote on whether they believe it breaks the rules, and get a small reward for each vote funded by a delegation account or a small % payout from the rewards pool.

The key thing is that hopefully this could all be done in a way which enables Hivers at all levels to maintain as much anonymity as they want, with a relatively light touch. But I'm sure more advanced users than me can cook up security risk shenanigans I could only dream of !

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the app is not related to 3speak. We will launch it from Mantequilla Soft, but its a completely different beast. I sincerely think its the first of its kind on web3... at least ive not seen anyone stupid enough to try it.

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Security is hard to get right as we can see from all the systems getting hacked. I've seen a few people wondering if systems created by 'AI' will be vulnerable and that could to other AI systems that look for ways in. Perhaps they could also suggest improvements. Good luck.

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thank you brother

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To all the downvoters on Hive When the downvotes stop 🛑 and my rep is back I stop sharing the truth 🙏🏾

I'm sharing the truth I know it hurts you but it is what it is 😂🍻

Consider these entries from @hive.fund's wallet—a digital fortress of staggering proportions:
"HIVE: 31,354,125.286"
"HBD: 23,325,897.167"
"Estimated Account Value: $24,860,896.64<

It's crazy that hives market cap is 36 million dollars 🤔🧐 and a account to hold 24 million dollars 💰 crazy

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I don't quite understand the post, but I suppose it's about protecting both users and Hive from scams?

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that's correct, its about the safety of the users.

Users that know that they have full anonymity might attempt to take advantage of other users, and the only way to prevent it, is to have them expose their identity.

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Pero eso va encontra de la web3 supongo donde se quiere evitar el kyc y preservar el anonimato a menos que decidas que no, lo cual es ventajoso y a la vez no

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To me, security and privacy are the real backbones for the ever lasting of these projects and extensively for the enjoyment and confidence for all the users.

There are no benefits or encouragement on your side and on us the users if scammers come up to steal the hard earnings and labour of innocent people here

Let there be security and privacy.

I have read in this space about two Hivers complaining that their systems were hacked and all the Dollars left with unknown people and to an unknown destinations. It breaks the heart to have such negative experiences, no body deserves such.!

Nobody would enjoy any porous system, let all your efforts building these things not be in vain.

Thank you for all the labour you guys have put in place to come this far, we the users appreciate you!

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Wow oooo 😂, this is amazing, my comment has been picked again by our wonderful @topcomment rewarder.

I'm thrilled, and at the same time highly honoured!.
Thank you, for all you guys are doing for us!

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Thank you for engaging and bringing positive vibes!

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What security need are we talking about that requires compromising privacy? Have you exhausted the strategy of nagging the user enough that they can't help but be aware of it?

As for self-doxxing service providers, can a web of trust suffice instead? I may not know and trust you, but I might know and trust someone who trusts you. These attestations can be held on the chain.

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I think there might be differing opinions; some will accept it, and I think others won't... maybe they want to keep their identity private. Personally, I'd love to know who's who; in fact, many already do.

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