Valueplan The Numbers. #1 Funded. The Rally Car. How Much Is It Costing Annually And How Are They Doing?
I think by now we all know the top funded project from Valueplan is the rally car. It takes up a large percentage of the Valueplan budget. Approximately 22% of the overall spend in 2024 was on the car and in 2024 alone it cost the Hive Community $282,148.729 dollars to fund it for the year. Now this is alot of pressure on the Hive supply alone and I can see why the Hive token has problems on the markets languishing where we were for years until Hive launched on Binance Futures. Some think the rally car is a great idea. Actually on most of the drivers posts they receive nothing but support for their car. In fact the photos are done well and so are the videos and it is safe to say there are other crypto communities that do acknowledge that we have our own rally car. Those who do offer praise and good fortune may not be aware of the enormous cost involved however. Whereas the Hive everyman/ everywoman likes adventure and the Hive Community getting out there, the Hive Accountant in me in my boring suit is winching like I am watching my billionaire employer getting into his hot air balloon. How much does this all cost us???
Cumulative Funding
| Year | VP Funding in Hive | Funding in HBD | Total Value in $ |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2025 so far as of 17th Jan | 28,687.81 | 0 | $15,845.00 |
| 2024 | 825,779.91 | 49,955.47 | $293,167.22 |
| 2023 | 399,476.17 | 332.00 | $136,798.59 |
| 2022 | 156,167.48 | 7580.00 | $69,546.62 |
| Total | 1,410,111.47 | 57,869.47 | $515,357.43 |
Let us break it down by year for you all. The funding began in July 2022. A simple filter of the Valueplan wallet under the name @ssekulji. He is the man behind the wheel of the car. (Good guy by all accounts) Copy and paste that into an excel document and you can add up the costs for yourself. Now the rally car guys like to be paid in Hive rather than HBD, because of ease of withdrawal I presume, so the majority of their withdrawals are in Hive. There was however 5 payments in HBD. 3 were correct and intended but 2 were major errors.
The first HBD payment was their first ever payment of 7580.00 HBD all the way back on the 14th July 2022. The second and third were for a web3 Berlin event in July 2023 for small amounts totaling 332.00 HBD. After that there were two payments. Both in 2024 and both in error as Hive was meant to be paid to them instead of HBD.
On the 20th January there was a payment of 18,126.888 HBD. This was meant to be 18,126.888 Hive which would convert to 6000 HBD. So there was a difference here to the sum of 12,126.888 HBD.
The same mistake happened again on the 11th February 2024. The rally car drivers were expecting 10,000 worth of HBD in Hive which would amount to 31,828.584 Hive but instead they were funded the 31,828.584 in HBD. a monetary difference of an extra $21,828.584 heading their way. God I wish my bank would do this to me sometimes.
Now the error was corrected to the best of my knowledge and it took a refund and some to'ing and frowing by the Valueplan admin team to make it right but these were the payments by HBD which sort of mixed things up a bit. Thanks to @spiritsurge who was getting a difference figure than me for the total spent in 2024. I was undercooked because I had the February's HBD figure in 2024 in as Hive rather than HBD. Anyway onto the annual totals.
Cumulative Refunds
There were two refunds. One for 0.1HBD as a test and the other for 11,018.401 HBD made on the 16th August 2024. I mentioned in Valueplan Part I about the admin team making transactions to correct the HBD transactional error so I presume this is the result and $11,018.501 was transferred back to Valueplan.
Cumulative Refunds
| Year | VP Funding in Hive | Funding in HBD | Total Value in $ |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2025 so far as of 17th Jan | 0 | 0 | $0 |
| 2024 | 0 | -11,018.501 | -$11,018.501 |
| 2023 | 0 | 0 | $ |
| 2022 | 0 | 0 | $ |
| Total | 0 | 11,018.501 | $11,018.501 |
2022: Getting Started 3 X Local Races. 2 X DNF, 1 in 20th Position.
So in 2022 there was 156,167.47 and 7580.00HBD spent on the rally car. The car in 2022 Citroen C2 R2 Max. I will include a photo of this below for reference of the different cars that were used.
Point to note I start this history after July 2022 when the first sponsorship by Valueplan was made. There clearly was sponsorship before this but not under the Valueplan umbrella as you can see a witnesses name over the Hive.io logo. The car entered a couple of local regional tarmac rallies in 2022. They did not finish the first rally due to technical difficulties and the second one due to power steering issues. The failure in their home country did not perturb the drivers however. The drivers successfully applied for an international rally car license which allowed them to apply to race in the Monaco WRC in 2023. However the Citroen needed upgrading so they had to buy a new car. Their new car for 2023 would be a Renault Clio Rally5 funded mostly by Hive. Goodbye Citroen. Well there was one more regional race that season which they came 20th in. An improvement on the 2 x DNF( Did Not Finish) but disappointing none the less. Hopefully 2023 would turn things round in the new shiny car. I was under the impression that you had to qualify to gain a place in the WRC but apparently not. All you need is money, a car that is up to standard and a rally car license. Correct me if I am wrong here.
2023: 4 Races in Total. New Car
In 2023 there was nearly double the amount of money than in 2022 spent on the car. They were in the WRC now baby and things get expensive. 399,476.17 Hive and 332.00 HBD was spent amounting to $136,798.59. Point to note the drivers did attend a web3 event in Berlin to promote the Hive Blockchain which is included in their overall cost. They had a new car now so the morale was high. Also due to a late application they were refused entry into their first WRC event. This was a massive disappointment because everything was funded to partake in the rally. They still attended the event in Monaco however to see how it looked, a sort of recce mission for next year to check what the service areas looked like. Below is a lovely photo of the team and their supporters before the Croatia WRC in April 2023 with the new Renault.
But with Valueplan and the arguments about whether we should be spending all this money on , nobody ever asked the question on how is it doing??? So why not have a look at the results as well.
Results Breakdown
(No Pun Intended)
| Date | Race | Result |
|---|---|---|
| 19.01.2023 | Monaco WRC | Refused Entry Due to Late Entry Application |
| 20.04.2023 | Croatia WRC | 48th out of 48 finishers. +2 hours:27 minutes :36 seconds behind winners 7 retirements. 3/3 Last in Class RC5. |
| 01.06.2023 | WRC Sardina | DNF. Among 11 cars that Did Not Finish due to a Cut Break Line in the second last stage. |
| 07.09.2023 | Greece | 49th out of 52 who finished. 1 hour 50 minutes and 44 seconds behind winners. 17 retirements overall, 2nd in a two horse race in RC5 class |
| 25.10.2023 | Central Europe Germany, Czech Republic and Austria | 54th out of 54. +2 hours 59 minutes 18 seconds behind winners. 13 retirements overall, 2nd out of 2 in the RC5 class |
Race Classifications
it is worth noting that rally cars are divided into Classes. There are the following classes. RC1, RC2, RC3 , RC4, RC5 and M. So the Citroen was in the bracket RC5.There were not many cars in this classification. 2 or 3 including or own car so it was hard to climb the leaderboard as I would say the RC1 and RC2 classes always lead the rallies. Also the M Classification stands for Motor Company Professional Drivers so we are talking highly trained individuals here. Hard for the lowly RC5 to come anywhere near the top times. Colin McRae could be driving the car , it did not matter.
Insurance claims
In one of their posts here after the car received damage in Sardinia the guys talk about waiting to receive funds from the insurance company for damage done to the car. I was not aware that insurers would insure rally cars. This is news to me. I was under the impression that any damage done to the car would be at the cost of the team but this is actually good news for Hive. We do not have to pay for major damage repair. I am sure there is a long list of small print here with the insurers but a much needed safety net I would imagine.
Even taking the race classifications into account the drivers will admit that 2023 was a disappoint year for them. With 1 DNF and last place in 2 races, their best being a third last place in Greece was a disappointing season for them. But they were gaining valuable experience in the WRC. 2024 would be their year. But they would need to go up a couple of classes to really try and compete. This is where another new car comes into the picture. Introducing the Ford Fiesta Rally 3 which would compete in the RC3 class.
2024: 5 Races in Total
The Ford Fiesta Rally 3 which is a bigger beast again. Despite the challenges in 2023 Valueplan decided to double down on the rally car and spent 825,779.91 Hive and 49,955.47 HBD on the car totaling a total USD spend of $293,167.22. Now there was a refund of 11,018.50 HBD so total spend is $282,148.72. There is somewhat of a trend starting in the figures year by year. Each year is pretty much double the previous year. Maybe this is what happens when you go up in the Classification levels. Also the payments by Valueplan in this year are in equal amounts each transaction which look like recurring payments rather than for anything in particular. Ok let us now look at the 2024 results. The Monaco WRC was raced in the RC5 category as they did not get their RC3 new rally car until March.
Results Breakdown
| Date | Race | Result |
|---|---|---|
| 25.01.2024 | Monaco WRC | 63 out of 64 finishers. +1 hour 51 minutes and 54 seconds behind winners. 4 Retirements overall, 9th from 9 (last) in RC5 |
| 18.04.2024 | Croatia WRC | 48th out of 62 finishers with 5 cars retiring +1 hours:12 minutes :33 seconds behind winners. 13th out of 21th in their car class. Best result yet. |
| 09.05.2024 | Portugal WRC | 1 of 26 cars to retire. Gearbox Failure |
| 05.09.2024 | WRC Greece | DNF. Reason states Personal so unsure why. No result posted by drivers which is strange |
| 17.10.2024 | Central Europe WRC | 39 from 40 finishers. 1 hour 11 minutes and 3 seconds behind winner. 3 retirements. Finishing 11th from 12 in their RC3 class. |
Ok so 5 races in total. They raced in the same races with the exception of Sardinia which they switched to Portugal. The good news is they started and finished Monaco in 2024. They finished second last but small victories here. There were only 4 retirements in this one so I presume by WRC standards the course was in good condition.
The next rally was held in their home country of Croatia. They finished a respectable 48 from 62 cars that finished. Improvement here. They finished 13th out of 21st in their car class. Not too shabby at all. So this meant they finished their last 4 outings which is improvement.
Onto Portugal with some confidence. This was quickly taken away after gearbox failure in the difficult conditions of a Portuguese summer. 26 cars retired in total from this race. It must have been a tough one. Maybe Portugal will not be raced in 2025.
The Acropolis Greek WRC was next up. But this was a strange one. The driver normally posts alot about each of his races . Maybe 4 or 5 times. It is what I like about him. He always posts unlike others who receive Valueplan funding. I do think the drivers have passion for their sport which I why I do not target them much in my posts. They hit the jackpot with Hive so good on them. Whether Hive should be spending this amount of money is another story. There were pre race posts about the Greek WRC but there were no posts around the results or what happened during the Greek race in 2024. The description on the Did Not Finish is "Personal" so I am not so sure what happened here. Maybe someone got ill or was injured. It was like as if it was brushed over.
Source
Anyway onto the next one. The Central Europe WRC was next which was their final race of 2024. This happened also to be their best outing finishing 39th out of 40 finishers overall with 3 retirements. They finished 11th from 12 in their RC3 class. In the WRC3 class they finished 8th. Glorious points! But it is also important to note that it was 8 out of 9 in the WRC3 event. So overall you can only summate that 2024 was not a success either judging by the results but there were some glimmers of light.
So why the poor performances. Are Hive not giving them enough money? I do not say this as an insult but with a WRC hat on. Does it cost a million dollars to get to a decent standard? But this is presuming our drivers are also up to the standard required. A half a million dollars in funding to date does seem like a reasonable amount to compete at a high level but maybe this seems like alot to the Hive Community but a drop in the ocean in the rally car community. I am not sure.
2025
So as of the 17th January the rally car has received 28,687.81 Hive which amounts to 15,845.00 HBD which converts to approximately the same in dollars. The Monaco WRC is where the two boys are next. This will be their second time around some of these stages so best of luck to them. Whether they get double the funding on 2024 is unlikely but not impossible. Even if they receive the same they are doing very very well out of the funding and best of luck to them.
In Summary
Maybe the question mark for me is not if there is anything dodgy going on here. I never really doubted these guys. Rally cars cost a bomb. Everyone knows this and it is the only reason why only car companies and millionaires can afford good cars in it. The lads look passionate and try their best. I was surprised that there were no major qualifications into the WRC. Now clearly if they are finishing these races there must be some element of talent with the driver and wingman. But take their most successful race in Central Europe. They still finished second last overall. When they mentioned in their post around being 1 place away from the RC3 points by finishing 11th. There were 12 cars in the race under this class with 1 retirement so I wouldn't be shouting from the rooftops just yet.
But do we really care Where They Finish??
Now the Hive marketing goal is not to have two champion rally drivers winning every race so at least this is nice so no real pressure from us on the blockchain. All we see is an automobile with a lovely Hive logo in mid air flight and we get excited. But on saying that , the goal definitely isn't to make the Hive Blockchain look like the slowest dam blockchain in the world full of technical difficulties that we can't solve. Sponsors all want to be on the best car. It is the way of the world. This is brand image. Nike hired Tiger Woods and paid him millions every year because he was the best of the best. Nobody wants to be on the Larry Lasts. We all know by now that there is not an active rally car community on Hive. There are 6 active users in the c/rally community and 2 of are the drivers so there is no onboarding here. On the positive side it has got press coverage in national and international media so maybe this is a reason to keep the wheels turning. But many on Hive think it's money down the drain. Maybe it is but we are sure as hell making two peoples dreams come true and maybe when Hive forks as a blockchain in a few years from now we may think to ourselves. Hell why didn't I apply for funding??
The driver is the oldest (I believe he is 53) in the league, he probably has to stop to pee during the race.
Read my comment! There is a stories about old drivers, and there is stories that could be made even if you aren't the best. Actually driving WRC need some incredible skills that most people don't have - but being on the top is like next level think that Slaven will NEVER make at this age.
You get mentioned in all of his posts ya bowsie. Are you in the back?? 🤣
He stops to let you out!! 😂
I used to curate their posts.
I am only pulling your wire. I know the story.
This is such a great post, and it definitely deserves more attention! I’ve been following the WRC results for a long time, and I’ve always been shocked by how certain stories are framed. For example, Slaven's performance might get a quick mention like, “Slaven finished second in his category but had an engine failure,” when in reality, he was 56th out of 59 cars. Of course, these aren’t the exact words or rankings, but you get the point.
A friend of mine, who’s a WRC pilot (very often placed in top25), once told me about a race in Kenya where he was alongside a 91-year-old former WRC champion. He said, in WRC, people only care about the top few places, and everything else is overlooked. Drivers further down the ranks, no matter how hard they push or what they’ve overcome, get no attention.
Now, think about this: that 91-year-old driver is a millionaire, with a net worth comparable to the market cap of Hive. Despite this incredible achievement—competing in one of the most difficult WRC races at that age—the media barely covered it. It’s astonishing. The driver is Polish, and I’d bet that only about 1 in 500 people even know about his participation. Here's a video about him: Watch here.
The truth is, WRC is a niche sport, and the results of drivers like ours don’t attract much attention. But, for those outside of the sport, WRC can seem much bigger. Think about regions like South America, where motorsport isn’t as popular—seeing pictures and videos from the races can make the sport appear more glamorous and significant, and it helps elevate our presence and credibility.
My thoughts have always been: We’ve done well so far with media coverage, but perhaps it’s time to dial it back and focus only on the biggest races, like Monaco. Our driver will likely never crack the top 20, let alone place higher. Slaven is a fantastic person and an incredibly skilled driver, but he’s not a young, up-and-coming talent with the potential to win in the future. That means it’s not a huge investment unless…
So, what should we do next? We need to sell the dream. We’ve never fully told the story of how blockchain—specifically Hive—enabled Slaven to pursue his lifelong dream of racing. Without blockchain, he probably never would have had the chance to compete at this level. That’s the message we need to share. A documentary would be the perfect way to tell this story—showing Slaven in his everyday life and how Hive has given him the opportunity to do something he’s always dreamed of. This would resonate not only with the global audience but also with the motorsport community, showing how blockchain is helping drivers achieve what once seemed impossible.
We could look at Eddie the Eagle as a model here. Despite always finishing last, his dedication and determination made him a global icon. His story became a phenomenon, and even though most people may not understand ski jumping, nearly everyone knows who Eddie the Eagle is. It’s not about winning—it’s about the dream, the journey, and the spirit of never giving up.
By framing Slaven’s story this way, we could inspire a whole new generation of fans, not just in motorsport but in blockchain and innovation as well. This could turn into something far bigger than just a WRC driver’s career—it could become a symbol of what blockchain can make possible.
At the same time as you post this great article i actually post the x video which shows how we should frame it
https://x.com/MyMynewlife/status/1880582685787369507
Nice comment @mynewlife. I doubt anyone would like being compared to Eddie the Eagle. Haha but I get your point. My concern about selling the dream is that many other people will want that dream and apply for their own funding for their hobby. For example we can see it in Venezuela that the Street Workout crew are after copping on that they can receive easy money for example the mountain bike as well as the motorbike are now getting increased funding. I would be more for burying the dream so that we are not seen as a soft touch. We use the money not to fund dreams but to put Hive in a bigger spotlight. Using the money to launch on more exchanges seems like a goal. The Binance Futures launched help the token more than any marketing activity. What I learned from researching this post is that the driver is passionate. He posts often and he is actually competing in the races. When I look at some of the funding at conferences I see alot of people just sitting around on their phones and then a giant banquet in the evening. At least you know the two lads are trying to climb the rankings even though the cost is enormous. Maybe with this Ford Rally car , the cost of the car is in last years payouts so the payments will be less this year but we are still talking north of 100k to fund 5 races.
I’m talking about a dream that is carefully pursued! The truth is, without Hive, he would never have had the opportunity to compete at this level, and I feel like that part of the story is often missed. When I tell people about it, they always connect with the story—they see it, and they understand the power of blockchain. If we could integrate this narrative into our blogging, showing how doing what you love and sharing content can help you follow your dream (not necessarily make you rich), then it would be perfect.
It’s one thing to fund someone's hobby or a sport that lacks future potential, but it's entirely different when it’s about an actual dream—something visible and achievable. The story of one (like Slaven) is the story of a dream made real, a success. The story of many (like the bars) is often just a playground for some, but at the expense of others.
Got it! Here's a refined version of that thought, with the context about Eddie the Eagle:
By the way, Eddie the Eagle did something truly remarkable - he jumped from a ski hill, an achievement that most people thought was impossible for someone without a traditional background in ski jumping.
'So, what should we do next? We need to sell the dream. We’ve never fully told the story of how blockchain—specifically Hive—enabled Slaven to pursue his lifelong dream of racing. Without blockchain, he probably never would have had the chance to compete at this level. That’s the message we need to share. A documentary would be the perfect way to tell this story—showing Slaven in his everyday life and how Hive has given him the opportunity to do something he’s always dreamed of. This would resonate not only with the global audience but also with the motorsport community, showing how blockchain is helping drivers achieve what once seemed impossible.'
I love this. Actually I was reminded of the Olympics too but for the swimmer Eric 'The Fish' who swam in the Sydney 2000 Olympics as a surprise wildcard from Equatorial Guinea. He literally had to learn to swim just 8 months before and finished a lowly 1.52.72 a minute off world record pace for the 100m. But it was his story and his heat as the crowd pushed him to the finish line that inpired millions around the world. Just 4 years later, Eric never gave up his dream and would go on to post a 56 second 100m lap, just 4 or 5 seconds off world record pace! The time actually qualified him for the Athens Olympics but Visa troubles ended his hopes of returning to the Olympics as a fully qualified athlete! I may be out on some details with this but that's how I remembered the story anyways and a qucik google to confirm.
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I was watching your edit and I'd love to feature it in my offline meet. It looks pretty cool as an advertisement and love the concept of "hope" and "dreams" because this is what this place was all about. I am sure many can also resonate.It's not about how hive is helping people achieve their dream through monetary value but there can be some other else that might not be quantifiable. Perhaps through this space, people can achieve their dream where their content gets discovered? I am sure it doesn't always have to be about money, because some people contentment aren't always about money.
how lovely for them all
is a chefs kiss called for?
lol maybe
I mean I appreciate a community that spends half a million of fulfilling a mans dream, I mean why not....
😂😂😂😂.
I must apply for it myself . How much are 4 X female dwarfs and a bottle of vodka (they won’t drink much) ? Shan’ t be more than $1000 surely !!!😂😂
yes I think you might need a little more if you gonna make a night of it...maybe 5k and your dreams will come true, will definitely vote on your proposal and looking forward to the post with highlight pics....
Great post!
I've never understood the idea of sponsoring a rally car.
I also think that sponsoring events like this only helps when you have an already established brand and people see the brand again.
Personally I have never watched any event where I noticed an URL on a car or a kit which made me grab my phone and check out the website. Especially without any context.
Yeah when I watch F1 I am not compelled to look up crypto.com even though they are plastered all over the Mercedes. You are right about the established brand element. I doesn't work for brands not established. I am a mad Tottenham Hotspur supporter and I wear a jersey playing astro every Wednesday and I just noticed Kraken on the sleeve last week.
This indeed.
I think we're not the only two 😂
I think it's better if 'we' would invest in making Hive known to the public. For instance by sponsoring some influencers to drop Hive and the benefits of Hive in their video's. People watching those video's are already online. Signup link in the comments and go!
100% . I think they tried out a gaming crowd but when you look into them , they aren’t really that well known . Another case of who is on Hive . Let’s get them to do it . The last time a crypto influencer crypto finally came onto Hive she was driven away with pitchforks and whore comments which I found rather bad . Maybe she’s acquired taste but the personal insults were uncalled for.
We don't need the influencers themselves to register, we need their viewers to do so.
I don't think we need more crypto blogs either. We'd better attract more people that write about subjects that aren't that popular yet.
Influ is most stupid idea! They do bare minimum without any interest into what is actual Hive. Taking to consideration that this is crypto then they will charge way more than anyone else. If we would start to sponsor random influencers at this stage I'm out.
Thanks 😂
If you make one create an account and show a couple of blogs they made themselves (and earned some Hive) it couldn't be that bad, could it? Don't choose a crypto influencer, but some that vlog/stream about other subjects where there are fewer of.
We had a bunch of influencers. Dozens. HW flagged them off the chain.
Here's an idea that works. Have lots of people making posts about things they're interested in, and things they know about. Make sure these people aren't flagged off the chain, and are happy they're posting on Hive. Then random people looking for information on those subjects search up their posts and read them. They're edified by the posts, and are flabbergasted to see that the posters made money for posting them!
How about that for a marketing idea?
That one we can make happen. All we have to do is hang HW by the neck, or threaten to until they go away and we've got it made.
All I got from this post is that it's expensive AF and our driver and car seem to come in last or near last for the last few years.
Yeah true. It’s a tough and expensive game. Every Race has multiple stages and there can be no stage where you take the foot off the gas. One small fault and you are toast.
Did you miss the part about the massive influx of users that we didn't get? There's that too.
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I was thinking of being a professional jerk off and put in a proposal to fund that personal project and fulfill my dreams of being the best jerking jerk in the world. I was thinking about maybe 20kHBD to start. Lotions can get very expensive 🫰 especially when they each need to have the hive logo on it and expensive posters too for the background, hive logo on each camera and why not some hive masks to keep my identity safe as I jerk off to the world in the name of hive.
I’ve seen worse ideas get funding . You will be like that lady on Onlyfan s who had 1000 men in a day. Someone will tune in and may even sign up to Hive . Congratulations.
Not the worst eh?
Onboarding new hiveans one jerk at a time. I wonder if I could get more onboarding with that than that rally car. And cheaper too.
Well I’d say you would get a couple of active users alright . 😀😀😀
You really think that Hive is going to fork in a couple of years? I hadn't heard that was as possibility.
Steem did and we never thought this would happen either but you never know . The DHF is just our ninja mine . Some may take issue to the way it is spent. Well the good news for us @bozz is if it does fork we get our HP in that token . Wooo
Yeah, that is a good point. I just think of Blurt and how they tried to fork as well and how that is working out for them.
I’m don’t know much about it . All I know is all the disgruntled Hive people got on a coffin ship and sailed to Blurt
I like Slavin. He is a genuinely a good dude.
When I first heard about the race car I thought… oh cool.
My kids got to ride in the car in Croatia and it was a highlight for them.
That many posts are made is at least covering that obvious thing that all funded projects should be required to do.
All those things I guess you could say are positives.
But as you mention about the community… 6 members.
I’ve been harping lately that there should be a free sign in link shared at these races or printed in the side of car that leads straight to that racing community.
If we could see even a slight influx of onboarded members joining the hive and racing community…. Maybe
But clearly we are not gaining new users, and I’m very doubtful we are gaining new investors at the smoozing banquets.
I’m not sure what the future budget is, but it does seem clear that this should be wound down for the communities sake.
Time to pick a new experiment for funding.
Learn and iterate.
I agree totally. The project managers will tell you it’s not about onboarding . But is that what marketing is for ? To grow Hive .
Not effective in my book.
Wonderfully detailed! You have a gift. Let me know if there are any more numbers you need. I have added you on discord as well.
I deeply appreciate all your hard work making these posts possible. I think it's time to let Pfunk pfund the rally car again.
Thanks!