What Brings Value To Hive?

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There's a lot of debate lately and honestly I'm glad to see it. I've throw out ideas on both fronts around the APR changes for Hive and HBD and I've learned a lot in the process as well as found a lot of constructive feedback and viewpoints. I wanted to state that first as I feel like it's a big step in the right direction for hive compared to how changes like this used to go down.

There's more talk about voting, better understanding and easier ways to connect and talk to the community outside of articles which is now Threads Is if perfect? Is it the greatest? No of course not but it's growth in the right direction. No matter how good something is there is always room to learn, grow and be better.

The Value Of Hive

Right now we are starting to see the value of hive really slump. It feels like more money is being poured into HBD and a vast portion of it is leaving the hive token.

This could be from the 20% APR or It might not be but here's the part I don't get.

Why should a passive income source that has no vote weight and a lot less risk compared to hive have double the APR compared to an asset that has vote weight, contributes to the security of the platform have less APR?

Does The APR Matter?

To me the only thing that should change is reducing the APR of HBD down to a more reasonable level that doesn't lopsided the scale of earning so heavily on the passive income not contributing to the voting side of things and instead it be more balanced. At current APR levels that would make me personally believe to achieve that HBD APR should be a little lower than that of a non stable coin asset like HIVE so that brings me in around 5% - 7% APR on HBD. Which as much as someone wants to say it's still a high APR. It's still paying more than a bank and in many cases better than a stock. Perhaps 8% APR on HBD is the sweet spot.

What We Might Need To Focus On

That aside though I think we are starting to attack and talk about wrong things.

The price of hive reflects how much someone wants the asset and what can be done with that asset.

As someone mentioned that runs an application themselves having a large stack of Hive makes sense to them. It helps them reward the content creators using their UI, it allows them to vote for witnesses and other aspects which benefits their application running on top of the hive blockchain.

At some point (when enough applications are built and hives inflation becomes crazy low (10 years from now) it's going to be mainly application focused over user focused as a resource/reward/vote reason to hold hive over what I feel is a constant push to tell people the following.

Hive continues to brand itself as a article, content, get paid to, web3 platform or blockchain. Of which the mindset of that is going to always be oh I can post content, get paid for it and then cash out. It's the mindset of many and you can't be mad at them for thinking otherwise. People post content on youtube because ultimately they want to get paid. The post on socials because they want to get paid. While there is a subset to that of a few people that do it for fun a majority of the wealth, income and money comes from creating good content that gets you paid.

Thus the mindset here is get paid in hive, cash it out for your work/content and no real push is ever done as to why you might want to keep and hold hive.

This is where the real issue is with hive above anything else. This constant charity, exit of wealth and nothing to replace it. Hive doesn't generate income it has no ads it has nothing to bring worth back in.

We finally saw a glimpse of what it means for people to want hive when Splinterlands took off during the bull market. Outside of that I don't think hive would have moved nearly as much as it did during the bull run.

People wanted hive, to earn it and build wealth in it and to buy it so they could buy assets in Splinterlands along with all the trading that took place.

We are just now after 2 years starting to once again get whispers of what a layer two token would do that had ad revenue and used a smart contract to buy back that value. That might not seem like a lot or sound like much but to me is exactly what Hive needs.

The layer two token with ads now provides not only income for the application to run on it's own without a constant sink to hive from the DHF but it also returns that value back to the users/content creators. While I'm STILL waiting for this to take place with LEO so we can finally show this method works (Because it will it's been proven by web2 applications like youtube, twitter and the likes) once that happens my hopes are that others start to follow.

For example 3speak should be running ads on their videos and either evergreening that value back into the content creators while keeping some to fund and fuel their development efforts.

Other front ends should also be doing the same. I agree that the DHF could be used for new projects at first however after a period of time say a year it's either that app needs to figure out how to raise their own funds or it comes crashing down.

There are of course cases where the DHF should be used and that's non applications of which wouldn't get funding from outside methods like ads. This makes sense to pay and reward the core developers in this way.

In general what we are seeing now and the real issue here is nothing more then far too many exit sinks for hive and too little value for Hive itself. You can see that clear as day in the constant falling price.

These are just my two cents on what's really going on. But what I love the most is we are all talking about this, starting to throw out ideas and hopefully figure out real values, build wealth etc. So let's take action and start coming up with some great ideas to make hive strong!

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I'm with you on some of this. I'm not entirely convinced that focusing on the blogging platform itself will matter much in regards to price. We need more interesting dapp development. Unfortunately this is difficult without access to developing permission-less smart contracts. I'm not really sure why this hasn't been a major focus at some point. We don't need another middleware. We need a native interblockchain communication layer.

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Or get some of the core developers to work on these things. Like a hive NFT marketplace or something ANYTHING lol

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What are they working on?! The pace of development on Nostr is mindblowing. Hive will be left behind if they dont start moving.

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working on these for the past few months...

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Interesting points about the HBD APR there Sean, and thanks for sharing.

At current APR levels that would make me personally believe to achieve that HBD APR should be a little lower than that of a non stable coin asset like HIVE so that brings me in around 5% - 7% APR on HBD.

Personally I think they should be the same, too high APR for HBD and it puts pressure on the price of Hive as people sell it for HBD, too little and a lot more Hive will be printed with the conversion, if they are the same then there is no pressure in either direction, so about 11% to 12% as that is the APR for curation rewards plus staking rewards of Hive Power.

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I could see that as being a good case as well.

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Great to hear.

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@bitcoinflood! You Are Alive so I just staked 0.1 $ALIVE to your account on behalf of @ flaxz.alive. (2/30)

The tip has been paid for by the We Are Alive Tribe through the earnings on @alive.chat, feel free to swing by our daily chat any time you want, plus you can win Hive Power (2x 50 HP) and Alive Power (2x 500 AP) delegations (4 weeks), and Ecency Points (4x 50 EP), in our chat every day.

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I agree. It is time to move the HBD down to a more sensible level and 5-7% seems about right. During the bear market, now is the time to be building, where are all the new Hive Apps?

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I don't get what's going on in that case it seems hella slow and then when someone does finally come to develop it seems like they get ignored for the most part. Thus that's why I say the core dev team needs to put some applications on the front to be voted on by the users and the highest vote is what gets built.

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Yeah that would be good. Ecency seems to be regularly adding new features, would be good to see other Dapps also.

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I think dApps are what get people excited. And what builds communities. I think the fallacy of making income here blogging is clearly shown by the lack of growth. Per @khal one of Leofinance’s strengths is maintaining its level of community activity during the bear market, while all other communities shrunk. Some of that is due to blogging, but some through curating comments, Cub and polycub.

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The exchange of ideas always gives us a POV which didn’t have, and usually makes us smarter, or at least better informed.
Use cases will put butts in the seats, not technology. Even technology that’s buggy as hell, can attract new members and grow your community, if the use case is attractive to new people.

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Yep, I don't have all the answers and there's always room to learn, understand and grow. Everyone brings value and ideas to the table which should at the end of it yield a positive result.

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What make you think that people will choice HBD savings with 8% instead a tradifi instrument with 5 to 7% of APR.

But again, I am a little tired about this nonsense debate of poeple think that 20% is a cataclism APR right now.

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It's not right now but it will be eventually. It doesn't mean it shouldn't be talked about and adjusted in a small way if need be.

Why do people put money in a checking account and earn 0.01% instead of a savings account and earn 4% ?

If there's some decent APR people are going to put money into it trust me.

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Considering long termed effect and sustainable outcome should be the key in this decision about APR of HBD and the HIVE

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It's good to see LEO back online after it being down 404 error for several days. My main challenge with LEO DEX and it's ads is that they have a tendancy to stick on the ad and never refresh the token trading page. When doing token swapping it is a pain to have to press F5 4 or 5 times to get past the ad.
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If Hive had a close to the same APR has HBD with the chance of appreciation more people would be in Hive. You would get the APR, curation and chance of appreciation. Those with less risk could still use HBD and for anyone that's smart you would balance the portfolio and do both

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