Hive morning chats - refining our sales pitch
A bucket of cold water for us all. We truly need to do better at selling the idea of this place. I certainly do.
This whole: "come here, make money" doesn't work, and we are better off if we stop saying that altogether.
Anyways. I'm crowsourcing.
I'm also going to use commentrewarder, to intice people to share their pitch with us all.
Cheers my friends
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Me (and lots of people) have been in this discussion before. The easy tag/strap/pitch then was:
join hive. learn crypto. explore an interest.
The first two are great, especially earn crypto turning into learn crypto. The third, though true and honest, not so sticky.
Taking what you are saying:
join hive. learn crypto. own your data.
or
join hive. learn crypto. censorship free.
the one I'm playing with is:
join hive. learn crypto. create new worlds.
I'm thinking of having that in a circle around a QR code that links to a landing page (yet to be created) on Hive (probably peakd) on a sticker. The landing page is where I guess the pitch will sit with links to other information/resources.
I'm also playing with having different stickers made, all with the first two calls to action, but varying the third one according to the audience I'm with (writers, community groups, gardeners etc), the audience based around my interests and people I come across in my every day life.
So for writers, it might be:
join hive. learn crypto. build an audience.
or
join hive. learn crypto. connect with your readers. - too long for a decal? 😂
For community groups:
join hive. learn crypto. build funds.
I need a designer to help me 😁. Also witty ideas for the third call for different groups - say, gardeners or makers and artists,
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Well, it is obvious right now, you are in the mega-lead.
I will abstain from voting on your comment for 24 hours. After that, you'll get the full vote and then more liquid tokens from commentrewarder.
I should say. I freaking love these ideas.
Hard to beat.
hahaha
That's really kind. I didn't really do it for the vote - I'd much rather you shared it out, good to have compadres 🙂.
It was good for me because it's helping crystallise my ideas. I'll try them out on a few non-hivers, see what feedback I get.
I'm moving more and more to the create new worlds one because it can have so many layers and meanings, but I need to check whether it would have any traction outside Hive.
taking one of @buttcoins ideas:
join hive. learn crypto. be immutable.
I can see that in my portfolio of stickers. I wonder if they would become collectors' items 😂
Just been over to substack following your latest post - they're pretty much doing the idea I had for readers and writers here and they make good arguments. Also they're focusing on the subscribers (readers, consumers, curators) which is clever. They obviously have money for marketing and a lot of carefully thought out ideas.
Anyway, more tags:
Hive: like substack with ownership.
Or maybe better:
Hive: an immutable substack.
The advantage that Hive has, with inflation, is that you can support your favourite writers and still keep your stake.
For sure depending on who you are talking to, you can deploy these lines. I love them. I can't decide which one is better.
Love the ideas. I'm not sure how "learn crypto" works, though. So many (regular) people still have a very negative feeling with the word crypto. Maybe learning into the decentralized, censorship free message is better.
I think learn crypto (not my idea, by the way) was getting away from the earn crypto message which was bringing people here with unhelpful expectations. (Although people didn't seem to have any problem about the crypto bit of earn crypto 😂).
Are you in the UK, I can't remember? Lots of people are still anti, but the numbers holding small amounts of crypto has been growing exponentially, with about 7 million people (12% of the adult population) holding crypto.
I guess the best thing to do is test some ideas and see what people say, which ones they find appealing.
https://x.com/lee19389/status/1913004935425253631
#hive #posh
Lately my pitch has been, be selfish, be Hive.
Your uncensorable digital diary.
Do it for you, not for money.
It’s yours and will always be there to look back on…
stored immutable you…
your creativity crystallized
Store you for free and forever
A moldy shoebox of photos and poems or a pristine Digital Legacy?
Be Hive
immutable you = powerful words, I have to say.
I'm going to use that, for sure.
Oh, I like those ideas!
Why be selfish? What's the idea behind that?
immutable you is good!
I actually wrote back to you on my last post about my buttcoins story on hive article. In the comments i shared a link where you see me using the be selfish with a new user.
But ill explain what im trying to get at here.
My last 5 years of life or so, i have reframed the word selfish. Many see it with negative connotations, but i now firmly believe that being selfish allows you to be of the most service. When you have focused on self first, and your mental, physical, spiritual, and financial self is secure, you then have the true capacity to really be helpful to others.
So in terms of Hive. I’m saying dont write for comments, money, views, feedback, hive. Write for you. Write for your memories. Write about things that interest you not what you think will get votes. Be selfish means your gains come to you from focusing on improving —writing, presentation of ideas, readability, better poems, songs, better photos. Whatever it’s important to you, be selfish and do just that. When your focus is on your self, on your own history, skills, family life, personal thoughts…. Then you are comparing yourself to your selfs improvement via hive tools. Then all the comments, upvotes, new friendships… they become all bonus, the cherries and cream on top. But the real gold was your self scrapbook, that self expression developement that cant be taken away.
Be Selfish, the community will find you soon enough.
Ah, makes complete sense 😍
That's more sticky than explore an interest:
join hive. learn crypto. write for you
@bill.prag dude bro... give me your best pitch. I see you!
@dbooster I'm going to start calling you guys out... give me your best elevator pitch bro!
I don't have a pitch. I don't think Hive as it currently is can compete with any other service out there. The blogging engine is terrible—Wordpress was better than this 20 years ago (I know; I was using it). The design of any of the portals is terrible; true or not, they all look like they were programmed by programmers who think they understand how design works but actually don't understand how design works. We do have a great community here, but that great community is tainted by the "Hive Police"—the Orcas and whales who use their stake to enforce their own standards of morality—who bully and chase away so many people who join.
I've been saying it for 8 years and no one has listened, but saying "post for money" doesn't work. It works for some, but then they come here and find they only make a few pennies, and if they try to withdraw those pennies they start to be DVed by the Hive police who yell that they are just extracting value and don't deserve anything. These days it works even less because there are so many other places on the web that pay potentially a lot more. If you work to build to a presence on Medium or Substack, you can earn a lot more than you can here—and you don't have to deal with all the Orcas who get upset with what you do with your money.
To go along on that point, I think showing the money each posts makes is terrible. It inspires some people to be jealous, in inspires others to suck up. YouTube doesn't publicly show how much each video makes, books in the store don't show how much the author is making, my WordPress blog doesn't show how much I make from donations to it. I don't think showing the post earnings publicly is useful or beneficial.
We should work on the blogging engine here and make it competitive. We have been relying on this "get paid for posting" to make people overlook the absolute terrible blogging engine. Perhaps we can't compete with WordPress, but that is a good target in improving the blogging engine here. If we can do that, then our pitch cam be "Come here to blog, we are decentralized and everything you post will be permanent and not disappear like your old Geocities blog did"
Many good points here. Never thought about the showing the money thing. That could just be if you choose to search what someone's post earned, not up in your grill.
The stake factor is tricky. Everyone who bought and earned stake have the right to use it how they wish. But im still very interested in someone who could show real metrics. I have a sneaky suspicion that all this policing aspect you speak of is not as significant as the user loss. Reward pool drain vs. retention drain. What costs more? But thats just a feeling...im just not the guy who can find and show the data.
Does this help?
Some honesty, @meno. For the shrinking amount of time I am choosing to being on Hive, I have listened to all of what you have to say. And still ALMOST got up to go on with my day. Without saying anything. Whatsover. For you and anyone else reading my comment, I would suggest these few words alone are "content" to reflect on, if I NOW still chose to get up and go on with my day.
Why? From the view of a person who recently chose to begin actively participating on Hive, "between the lines" of these few words, a reader might find:
I'll close with these additional points, for you and your readers, which may be an encouragement to consider carefully what you have chosen to say in this post:
To whatever extent one might agree with any of this brief input, initial impressions from this new account are that Hive's form of governance is poorly suited to addressing the challenges it faces.
There you go. Food for thought for you and others genuinely making an effort to reach some hoped for continuous improvement consensus? Spitting into the wind and more or less a complete waste of my time? Somewhere in between?
Readers will have differing opinions, of course. I will leave it with them, as I now get up and go outside into the light.
Quark, don't ever feel like you can't critique Hive and its shortcomings. I do it all the time. The idea is to not stop at the critique, then its actually valuable.
I don't care about wallet sizes, and I know most of the guys who are worth a damn don't either. If a new user is smart, engaged and shows they care, I will listen to what they have to say, granted they've taken the time to understand the issues deeply.
So, if someone is making you feel like you can't express your honest opinion, that's terrible, and please let me know who.
Btw, we spend quite a bit of time on Discord. Maybe you can swing by for one of the podcasts.
My response to this post.
Thank you for bringing that post to my attention, I just donated 35 hive for the tool development.
@meno, I paid out 2.884 HIVE and 0.698 HBD to reward 6 comments in this discussion thread.