Curator Cat: Long-Timer on Hive — A Look at the Good, the Bad and the Needed!
A couple of months back, @acidyo posted the question of sharing something we like and dislike about Hive. You can read his orignal post here.
I started to write a response, got distracted, then resumed but by then it got rather too long and too late, so decided to turn it into a free-standing post, instead. Then I got busy with "other things," but after revisiting it in my drafts folder this past weekend, I decided the questions were actually worthy of being revisited... especially after having had a chance to percolate in my head for a while.
Pay attention!
This post is on the long side — particularly for a "cat blog post" — but I'm going to deviate from the usual content we share here, and I'm NOT going to put a TL;DR summary here... either you're interested, or you're not. If you must scan, I have bolded key points.
But I will include lots of cat photos, for the visually oriented and easily distracted!
To encourage some engagement, I am also setting 20% of this posts rewards to be distributed by @commentrewarder.
Our own "longcat!"
Section 1: Things I Really LIKE About Hive
Perhaps what I like most about Hive is the sense of community we have here. Still, after all these years. We talk a lot about there being "less engagement than ever," but at the same time there is very much a sense of community here.
One of the buzz-phrases that circulated for a while (it may even have been @dan who started it) was that we were creating the "Internet of People" as opposed to the Internet of things. I think we've done pretty well, with that.
Another thing I really like about Hive is that the level of engagement tends to be more intelligent and courteous than on the majority of legacy social media sites. You just don't see a lot of people "SPAM-flaming" each other here. It was one of the things that originally made this a very attractive venue for the fledgling Curator Cat blog.
While me may have occasional "downvote battles," the overall tone and quality of discussion on Hive stands head and shoulders above the incendiary insult battles I encounter elsewhere.
I also really like that we have communities here, centered around hobbies, activities, interests and even points of view and perspectives. To me, it is a good reflection of how most people actually use the web. If you think about it very few people are simply "online" or "on Facebook," they are doing these things with a specific goal in mind that suits their needs and interests... most often that is a community or interest or hobby group.
I really like that we own our content here. And I say that as someone who has repeatedly been "locked out" from some of my content by the sudden appearance of a paywall — particularly on photography sites.
I like that Hive isn't age or politics segregated like many venues are... you pretty much see all ages and viewpoints represented here, and you see them interacting with each other... and that's really a big plus.
This this might be a slightly odd one, but I really like "whales who participate" in the daily community. As opposed to whales who just set up a witness node, or write some code but are otherwise invisible... other than to occasionally be part of downvote battles (more on that in the "dislike" area) or to support some initiative in the DHF.
Section 2: Things I Don’t Like About Hive
I make this statement independently of what I might think about flagging/downvoting, but perhaps the thing I like the least about this place is when personal vendettas and differences of opinion between large Hive stakeholders ends up with individuals who had no connection whatsoever to the original argument inadvertently becoming "collateral damage."
You know, as in Ed Bob Whale and Jim Bob Whale are in a feud, and Ed Bob actively downvotes anything Jim Bob has upvoted. If I were a bar owner, I'd be grabbing both of you by the scruffs of your necks and saying ”take this shit OUTSIDE, rather than spilling beer and broken glass on all the OTHER patrons!”
I can already hear a few pipe up with the boilerplate "Your rewards aren't YOURS until the 7-day period runs out" and while that it technically true it's also irrelevant in the context of some relative newcomer inadvertently being caught in the crossfire.
Stated a little differently: It's not about the money, it's about the toxic psychology of the situation.
Thankfully it's not a frequent occurrence anymore, but it does leave everybody with a sour taste in their mouth, particularly the collateral damage individuals who often end up leaving the platform altogether.
After 7+ years, one of the things I don't like about Hive is the relatively frequent duplication of dApps/features. Whereas I appreciate that it's part of the freedom of this decentralized environment, I don't much care for the endless replication of pretty much the same features by different projects/initiatives. all in the guise of "being better" than the previous iteration.
We don't really need 47 variations of the blockchain version of Twitter/X, particularly not when they each start to become proprietary about only rewarding content that is on their particular platform. What you end up with is not the benefits of decentralization but the drawback of decentralization which I would characterize as fragmentation, where each group becomes incrementally too insignificant to make any kind of broader impact... both inside the Hive sandbox, as well as outside.
Another thing I don't care about on Hive is the many ”launch it and leave it” type projects we have seen come and go, over the years.
Community, project and business building is difficult and requires you to be present and grinding it out over the long run, if you hope to reach any level of success. Simply creating something — good as it might be — and throwing it out there and then thinking it's going to succeed all on its own is not only folly, it's extremely annoying!
It also leaves a lot of corners of the community looking like a ghost town... which is not a good way to make a good impression on potential newcomers.
Which brings me to the realization that I don't like the way people get almost RELIGIOUS about decentralization. Decentralization is a fine idea, but it doesn't mean we should throw all the beneficial tenets of centralized structures out the window! These might include such things as cohesiveness, and standardization of the user experience and even economies of scale, particularly as it relates to publicity.
We don't need to reinvent the proverbial wheel, all the time! Round (centralized) wheels work perfectly well, and we should use them!
Finally, I don't care for the excessive emphasis on promoting Hive as a place to "earn rewards."
Don't get me wrong, I love that we get rewarded for creating content, and I love that monetizing content here isn't limited to just "popular people."
On the other hand, it just doesn't track that we go out in the world and emphasize "earning rewards" and then turn around and "power down shame" those same people for actually wanting to take out and use their rewards!
Perhaps the better approach would be to follow the pitch that people own their content with Hive as an opportunity to "build stake in the venue where their content is published."
Section 3: Things I Believe Would/Could Make Hive Better
After more than seven years of doing this — and occasionally dabbling in the idea of bringing other cat lovers and bloggers onto Hive — perhaps the biggest thing that Hive is lacking (particularly as far as old timers being able to help newcomers is concerned) is an adequate and functioning messaging system.
Private messages are pretty much a core part of every significant social media system. After all, we are trying to be social here, right? And yet? We can't chat directly with each other. And don't start the whole "But Discord..." thing. Needing a separate app to effectively use an app is basically 1990s blogging!
Having a good and solid message system would allow Hive's active "recruiters" to talk to the people they have brought onboard on a regular basis, to encourage them, to answer questions, to give guidance and so forth.
Such a message system would also be of great benefit to people who start and run communities, as a means to communicating directly with their members, and encouraging them to actively post and be actively part of the community.
And just to reiterate, "just use Discord" is not an adequate answer because only about 2% of the broader population is nerdy enough to be willing to futz with multiple applications to use ONE application. Nuff said!
While I am not a blockchain developer, I believe the "bare bones infrastructure" for creating such a system already is in place.
Let us consider the possibility of a small modification to "short content" apps as we already have them on Hive whether that be @peakd's Snaps, or @ecency's Waves, or @inleo's Threads, or the new @snapie phone app.
The primary modification would be to limit a thread "container" to communication between two (or more, specified) individuals. As with everything else in the Hive ecosystem the "cost" to use it would be resource credits, and to prevent anybody from gaming/abusing it with upvotes between two close friends, these person-to-person threads would have the permanent setting of 100 percent of the rewards being burned AKA sent to @null.
The other thing Hive really needs is a "centralized" PR department.
I'm not talking about marketing and advertising here — there are already lots of different initiatives going in that direction to bring Individual users directly onto the platform — I'm talking about a group of people, possibly elected through a similar process as witnesses... potentially being compensated by the DHF... whose sole purpose is to put Hive "in the news."
No, it's not the same thing as "Valueplan." If we need a comparable, it would be closest to some aspects of @crimsonclad's work on behlaf of Hive... except on steriods, by several people.
That is to say, they are to function as liaisons who send press releases on every single new development/update that happens on Hive to all crypto related (and even mainstream financial) news sources, blogs, vlogs and podcasts, also serving as "authorized contact points" between Hive and both centralized and decentralized exchanges, staying on top of managing and updating Hive's summary pages on CoinGecko, Coinmarketcap and anywhere else Hive has a presence.
The purpose is not to advertise Hive, the purpose is to put the name "Hive" in as many places as possible so people read about Hive without being "sold" Hive.
There's a good reason why pretty much all organizations of any size have dedicated PR departments!
Hive would also benefit from improved content discovery.
This might be accomplished by having a number (100? 250? 500?) what we might call "fixed" tags that start to auto fill for maybe the first 2-3 tags on any given post, designed purely to categorize that post.
Remaining tags would be "open" for people to add, as they see fit.
Some form of AI might be used to limit abuse by those thinking it's clever to use a "popular" tag for visibility, even if it is utterly irrelevant.
Such tags could be used to help people actually find subject matter they are interested in, and might help build more of a base of content consumers, as opposed to just content creators.
So, Therefore...
I realize that I am approaching 2,000 words here, so I'd best wrap this up while the going is good!
If this is your first time visiting @curatorcat, this is primarily Hive's longest running cat content blog, and we also host the Hive Cats Community, as an attempt to promote and gather cat related content in one place.
Why cats? Because they are one of the most popular things on the Internet, and provide a nice counterpoint to techy blockchain and crypto content!
Thanks for coming to visit... and DO please leave your comments/feedback below!
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Love Cats? Get Involved in Hive's Cat Communities!
If you're a cat lover and often/sometimes post pictures or other content that includes your feline friends, why not become an active part of Hive's growing Cat Communities?
These are some of the more active Cat Communities — why not join them ALL? Many of the allow you to share your cat posts, even if you started at a different community!
HiveCats by @curatorcat is a central "gathering place" for cat content on Hive; promoting the use of the #hivecats tag for feline content!
Cat Snaps by @manorvillemike is a place to post pictures of your cats when you don't have a whole lot to say beyond just sharing your cute photos!
Caturday by @saboin is a community where we get to celebrate posts relating to Saturday — aka "Caturday" — our own special day!
Cat Photos by @andrarchy is a "mixed use" cat content community; posts can be just photos or longer, as long as the subject is CATS!
Cats by @captainklaus (and Sissi!) is another "general" cat content community.
There are a number of other feline communities listed on Hive, but I am not sharing them for now as they have not had any activity (by their Admins OR users) since the Steem/Hive fork. Updates as they become available!
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Having been here a long time I can agree with most of that. I do think that Hive is something special in a world of corporate social media. There are people here I have been talking to for years and I keep meeting more, sometimes in the real world!
The whale infighting is a problem. They tend to have strong views on how things should be, but we really are a small pond and most of the world does not care about us. We ought to be building up the community even if it goes off in different directions. So what if someone makes a few bucks doing something you do not like!
We do have a messaging system that you can access in peakd and some other dapps. It uses our standard keys and so is secure. It is just not used much.
We definitely need more cats here. They are what makes the internet better.
Lots of !LUV
I have tried to use the messaging feature in Peakd and I couldn't get it to function. An account wrote to me, I wrote back: all fine. Then they responded but I've never been able to access the conversation again. I can't even mark it as read and the alert sits there, glaring at me, every time I open the account. Yeah, I could go and ask this, that and the other one, ironically, on Discord, but I think I have to have my phone verified to use that channel, and well, you know, this is a side hustle.
I have used it with some success. It can be a bit clunky and I think it ought to be improved as people need an on-chain way to communicate privately. I sent you a message so see if you can respond.
I've pressed all the buttons on this screen and I still don't see the content of your message.
Odd. Have you sent me one?
I tried it using keychain authentication and was able to view your message, but I haven't yet found how to send one back. I find this immensely frustrating. I'm logged in, I should simply be able to use the feature.
It looks like it needs more work to make it useable.
And I can't get rid of the annoying alert, even though I have read your message! 😂
It is frustrating. I can only say that it works for me. I am using Brave browser on Linux if that matters.
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Thanks Steve. I agree that Hive is definitely special and different from anything else out there, which is why I persist here and hope that this place lasts for a long long time.
I have tried that Peakd messaging system, but I've never been able to get it to work — all it ever does is show a slowly pulsing red to pink half-screen but never goes any further. It surprises me, because the Peakd team usually is pretty good about testing and making sure their stuff is functional.
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It seems others have issues sending messages. I think it's worth improving to give us alternatives.
Promoting Hive as a place to earn rewards brings in people with the wrong mentality, that why we get so many milkers and farmers, and people leave after a few months when they didn't earn the rewards they were expecting. I hate it when onboarders use that to attract newbies, it's doomed to fail.
But then that will be the main attraction for many. We have to talk about the other reasons to use Hive and set realistic expectations. It's a balancing exercise.
I think it is generally a better approach to mention the rewards as a lesser point of importance. By all means, yes we DO get rewards... but I use it more as an additional incentive than the primary selling point.
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I share a >50% similar opinion of what you said... too tired this week to have fuel to comment logically with my own reasons.
If this weekend I get the peace of mind, I will come back to this. There are a couple of ones I really want to come back at least.
Thanks for stopping by; hope to see you again!
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Private communication exists even at layer 1... but people don't use it because they probably don't know, or it's not super easy to get back to your messages. So, yeah, a bit inadequate, I agree.
For me, it works well but because I understand it, and getting those notifications from apps that someone sent me a memo, and because it gets decrypted automatically, I can even read it from the notifications (mostly).
Obviously agree not a "private chat" thing... but does 25% of the job.
Someone needs to create a mIRC based on memo transactions, maybe.
Have you tried snapie on the phone? What did you think about its experience... I kind of liked it.
You can also change the top to only show people you follow (on Peakd at least).
Obviously, it requires one to constantly manage the followers, which is something impossible for me.
Anyhow...
The chat API works... but needs a working node.
It's an area that needs work. I appreciate your perspective, but I would also submit that your technical knowledge (as a Hive witness, for example) exceeds that of 99% of the population.
Threw a witness vote your way, since I was checking...
Sure, we can send wallet memos, and we can even encrypt them... but that's basically gobbledigook to the average blogger/social media user. I need pretty much zero technical savvy to use Facebook Messenger, or to send someone a DM on X or Insta. We need to approach that level of seamless usability here, too.
I like PeakD because it has pretty good features and utility. Bookmarks and lists are handy to create somewhat customized feeds.
Haven't had a chance to really test out Snapie, but have been following along with @meno's posts.
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Appreciate the vote... actually very rare for people to check me out in terms of witness.
Yeah, it's about people being used to things I would rather say. For example, I never used Insta, and to be honest, I'm BAD at it.. and even hate it... so complicated for my own "blockchain oriented brain".
But yes, building something in front of blockchains in order to make it simpler is a need for basically ANY blockchain.
Give it a try with Snapie when you have the chance, I don't want to contaminate your opinion, so I will not give you more details about my opinion yet. Once and if you get to try it, let me know (tag me even), and I would love to share/discuss views.
Not forcing you to use it... 😅 ok?
Cheers
My likes of hive are very similar to yours. Being in some of the creative communities on hive has done wonders for my creative growth.
I also really agree that a hive based messeging system that wasn't clunky would be awesome. I also really agree about the whole "just go on a discord" thing. It would be so beneficial to have somewhere on the various websites that was built in. Though maybe limited to accounts with above a certain reputation to avoid bots flooding it?
I also really wish there was a way to get alerts when specific accounts posted things.
Something I think could make onboarding easier as well is have like a "hive lite" version where folks can post, earn hive/hp/hbd, without having to go through the rigamarole of making a wallet. This version wouldn't be able to send hive/hbd out from their account butit would also only need an e-mail/password to log-in. Then if they wanted to they could turn it into a full fledged account. It'd make it a kind of web 2.5 and I think would make getting new people, esp people new to crypto on board much easier.
I also wish there was more customization or some ablity to make a "homepage" sorta thing. I would love to have a page where I could sort my content a bit. One part with art posts, one with my writing, and the other with splinterlands.
I do hope we eventually end up with a platform wide message system that is relatively easy to use and has a small footprint. As I've said in other comments, I know there is a message system that's part of PeakD but I've never been able to get it to work, even though I try again from time to time!
I do like the idea of a hive light type of account where basically people can get started with a login with Google or log in with Facebook type approach and have access to posting features without having to worry about storing keys and understanding wallets and so forth. They would even be able to post content and watch their rewards build up they just wouldn't be able to access it until they commit to having a full account and the attendant responsibilities.
I think the Inleo community has something like that going or some variation of it.
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I agree with a lot of this.
The fragmentation problem is not unique to decentralised communities. It happens in any large organisation / business, etc.
It would be nice if we had a large, communal kanban, where creators and developers could post their plans, and then find the like minded indivudals to collaborate with.
There is also the unending problem that software development is never finished, only abandoned, much like artworks.
My view on Hive is a simple one. We must not promote the platform itself, but instead what it enables. The real world examples of what it has done. Not rally cars, not boreholes, but the content from voices that would otherwise never be published in any other place.
There are so many compelling and well written things on hive, but it is buried under the superficial and banal bullshit that tends to make up the trending page - content about development work that is already receiving generous funding from the DHF, which is rewarded (again). It is the ultimate form of pontification.
While the trending pages have gotten a lot better than what they once were - truly wonderful posts often languish unseen and unrewarded. Then, the sadder part - they are never discovered.
Not everything posted will be prize-worthy journalism, or moving fiction, or incredible human-interest stories - but these are so rarely written for hive, and when they are, those that find them and cherish them (I've found a few) do not seem to have the power (yet - I'm working on that through my own writing practice and running a witness node!) - to push these posts to the front page of hive for them to get the eyeballs that they deserve.
If I write more, I am afraid that I might end up writing a post like yours, so I'll leave it there - as I do not really like writing about hive on hive - I'd prefer for content to be content, and not content about the platform.
I think you're exactly right that promoting Hive as a platform is not a good approach. Bottom line, it's not how most people use the web.
If you think about it, very few people go around saying that they're "on Facebook," or that they're "online;" they're online or on Facebook to do very specific things, usually related to some kind of hobby or interest group. Or perhaps they are following or promoting a business or artwork or a personal brand.
If more of our communities were more visible and more dynamic, it would make more sense to say to a friend "I'm part of a gardening community on Hive, why don't you come and join us?" and it might have more appeal than just trying to persuade people to join yet another social media platform.
In general, I'm far less concerned with whether or not something is quality content than whether it adds value to the community in some way. After all, I run a cat blog here and cat blogs are hardly the pinnacle of literature, and yet most of the Internet is obsessed with cats, from memes to kitten reels to God knows what else!
To close out what also could be a very long comment, I'm also not that much of a fan of posts about Hive, on Hive, just like I'm not that much of a fan of posts about development on Hive unless it is some grand announcement that will substantially affect everyone here. I far prefer it if people just write about what they're interested in instead of worrying quite so much about whether they're saying something popular.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
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I came for the felines, I stayed for the intellect, though :)
Also pretty much a core part of PeakD. And extremely easy to integrate into any Hive frontend. Or indeed, any website. But people seem reluctant to use our very own PeakD Chat. Which is a shame, as it works perfectly for community and personal messages.
Weirdly, I have never seen any objections to it. Or reasons why it is not suitable. Only a distinct lack of interest. But I will continue to check it daily in the hope that it takes off.
!BBH
To be honest, I have never been able to get the PeakD message system to work.
I was very excited when it first showed up but all I've ever been able to accomplish is have a solid half-width screen sit there and pulsate slowly at me in shades of pink-to-red without ever loading anything. I've tried all the usual fixes from clearing my cache to logging in from a different browser and it doesn't seem to make any difference.
Maybe it works better on a phone but I don't generally spend any time online from my phone.
I wish I could use it, though!
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This was actually working... I come and go every month at least...
Looks like is failing to connect to the websocket of the node supporting this feature.
Yeah, it's the node you have selected on your Peakd interface. If you switch it to one that supports websockets, it will load.
I appreciate that, thanks. How would I know whether or not a given node supports websockets? Or is it just a matter of trial and error?
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You would need to test the node... with a query...
Sent you a message on the GEMS community, in the chat sutff
I agree with you on all points, especially about the "just use Discord"
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To me, that just feels like a long-winded way of saying "we can't be bothered/don't know how to fix the problem."
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Yes, I don’t know how to solve these problems, and I do not understand the blockchain technology at all, as well as in its economy, I am the easiest user who made the first post a week ago. Therefore, I can only support smart people.
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I am particularly troubled by that because the earliest versions of blogging required a separate app for leaving comments... and it was just too much!
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