Be like them.

When we pick an idol, we generally don’t pick it because of the person it really is, but because of some superficial traits that we admire and want to copy.

The idols they have can tell a lot about a person. There are different levels to that, as always, or this would just be another post lining into the smooth superficiality of life. There’s the obvious part of what the idols display in public. Then, what they represent, the values, the traits. And in general, it stops there.

"[General] Rumiñahui, symbol of Resistance and Dignity" - an idol to many here in Ecuador. But as with many idols, if you really dig into it, you find a lot of humanity in him, and not the good parts.

History is full of examples. One of the best for the superficial idealization is Ernesto “Che” Guevara. Symbol of revolution against the oppressors, of the fight for justice, of doing something, not just talking smart in beaten-down basement-bars full of cigarette smoke. Or worse, cigar smoke on the terrace of a modern town house with 30 yo scotch.

Guerrrilero Heróico

The picture taken of him by Alberto Korda is indeed a great one. And it helped to create the image of what Che represents in the public, but far from what he was. Every person is more than they represent, in fact they’re often something different entirely. Che was an idealist, one could say that, he had dreams, he was trying to establish an equal, fair society. In short, he was looking to reduce suffering, which is a goal to be found in many idealists, be it from the left or the right – but the means differ quite a bit.

The title itself shows another part of the idolization. He’s a hero. And as soon as he becomes a hero, all his actions are justified. And that is something very innate with idolization, something we see a lot these days. As we’re losing more and more members of our societies to superficiality, the perception of the world falls increasingly in a good vs. bad dichotomy.

The grey-scales are removed step by step, and both villains and idols are everywhere. There are plenty of cases. The most famous at the moment is by far the president of the USA, dominating the media either by complete vilification or complete idolization, but (almost) nothing in the middle.

For those who vilify, whatever he does is evil, no matter what. He could rescue a child from a burning building and would be accused of something. For those who glorify him, everything is right and correct, and he could kill a child and they’d find excuses.

And that counts for all idols, not only him. It counts for Che Guevara as well, and it is somewhat ironic to mention them both in the same argument. They both would hate it, being put side by side.

Idealization and glorification are very close to idolization, but broader. I often see them here when talking about indigenous culture, and I don't see it to be helpful at all, as it dismissed the discussion about possible problems within those cultures.

Both idolizing as well as vilifying open up new echo-chambers for us, filled with superficial connections to other people who feel the same. As our society gets fragmented further and our communities dissolve under the pressure of ego-centrism, we can’t stop being social animals. We need that positive feedback from others, we need to feel not-alone.

And idol helps with that, too. Emulating them, trying to adapt to what we perceive as their values, gives us not only a point of comparison, but the feeling of not being alone in the world. There’s someone like us out there. Someone who believes in the same things as we do. Comforting, isn’t it?

This is too one-sided.

To throw my dichotomy-argument back into my face, I do not think that idols are a bad thing – just the idolization. There are many people to admire, and incredible role models all over the planet, from all different sides and countries. If someone comes to me and says “I really dislike a lot of things that Che Guevara did, but I do admire his work-ethics and how he tried to lead by example after the main fighting was over” – fair play. But is that still an idol as person, or an ideal? This train of thoughts won't stop chugging. I will.


Do you have idols?

If so, do you know and can accept the bad they do or did?
If not, why not?

Thank you very much for reading! I appreciate every comment, especially those that help me improve my writing and thinking.



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Ah, quite some interesting thoughts here. I think that it's important to have idols in our lives, because we need something to look up to and aspire towards, but at the same time we have to be careful.

I found a relatable meme a long time ago, with Che as the subject, that was something along the lines of "People never want to see this side of Che" and it shows him pointing a gun at two women just before he shot them dead. Those are the things we need to see and know in history. History is ugly; filled with winners and losers, some more brutal than others but we need to be able to see the many sides of these things.

Modern day idolization is all too common sadly, and I think it's largely because of the removal of organized religion from many people's lives. That itself has it's own issues, but having a sense of a guiding morality is really important. Instead of worshiping a religious figure like Buddha, Jesus or others, people instead idolize politicians like Trump or billionaires like Elon, Buffet and others despite the pretty crazy flaws they have themselves that should make us think twice about them.

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Yes, history is full of examples, and the cults around persons are nothing new. The inability of "fans" to accept anything negative about their idols is stunning though. As I wrote, is see that as a need to belong somewhere, to someone, to something, and not be alone. What do you think it comes from?

I, personally, feel more connected to people when I know their flaws. When I can accept them as they are because I know what and who they are. Idolization takes place with normal people, too. I have a very good friend, one of my best friends, who has a very distinct character - which I know, and I know exactly what I can expect and what I can't expect from him. Two other friends, though I had told them that over and over, didn't want to see his flaws. And when he acted in a way that they didn't expect, but that was completely in line with his character, they got really angry at him.

I agree that the removal of religion is an important part of that, though the age of superficiality has brought religion down as well, with many people following out of custom (going to church very Sunday) or out of coolness factor (the new-age-slaughter of Buddhism). It's just everywhere, and it's scary. Here's an article I wrote a while ago about religion, if you'd like to read more about my stance on it.

Thank you for stopping by and taking the time to read and comment, both here and my comment on Galen's post! Thought provoking :-)

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My idol is the writer A. Kuprin, I am reading his stories this summer. He looks deep into people's souls and reveals complete pictures of life from the past.

Astrophysicist A. Panov, he reveals the secrets of the universe in his interviews.

Regressive hypnologist Michael Newton and researcher Robert Monroe.They explore horizons inaccessible to our science. They explored the paths of our immortal souls.

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That sounds like they're idols because of the work they do, and not because of what they are. Which is better, in my point of view.

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i guess I have some idols, many I think, for example; Bhagavan, Swami Vivekenanda Saraswati, and Sahajananda (some "teachers" I shared some time & space with, in India, Thailand & Mexico). Also many who have left there bodies, such as Jesus, Buddha, Krishna and Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi.

I'm fairly sure I don't idolize them. I see "faults" too.


What if, We The People were able to collaborate, using a particular method (unhindered by any person or any organisation) to come to consensus of an idol, an ideal. That consensus would be continually refined in this method. The "ideal" would be made up of many ideals, i imagine, which would likely include non-violence, non-theft, abundance, etc.

Those ideals could be represented by an animated video character (like an AI President) ever morphing (face changing male, female, adult, child, etc.), talking on screen, speaking of the ideals which the group have agreed upon, and are contimually being refined, by concensus), and ideals spoken of by some masters no longer in this physical dimension, and of ways we can collaborate systematically, governed by ourselves, to move closer to those ideals?

Can you imagine it?

i see it. i see a way, a particular system which could enable the above and help humanity step forward together toward harmony with all beings.

i have not yet been able to paint the picture (through writing mostly) of the particular system of which i speak, well enough to attract people who "get it" and begin to help.

So, I need help with that.

Sat Nam
Atma

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Glad to read that you don't idolize your idols! Seems like I was able to express my thoughts well 😅


Can you imagine it?

My utopia partially includes what you say. I never thought about an AI president, sure enough, as my utopia is Anarchism. But the fundamentals are the same, a ground structure of common values and ideas on which the society orients themselves.

I don't have much hope for that to ever be realized. So many values are so far gone, so many traditions are frowned upon or lost already. The instinctual ego has become more important to most parts of society than the social values and are supported by an economic system that thrives on just that - superficial consumerism and self-exploitation.

Yet, I'll never stop dreaming :-) I always try to implement my vision and values in my work, both in my bakery as well as with my daughter and her upbringing and education. It's probably not hope, just a form recalcitrance (just learned that word, I hope I used it correctly :-D ).

Thank you for taking the time to read and comment! I enjoyed reading your comment!

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