Can We Please Stop Powering Down !

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I get sad seeing people powering down, because it masks the great work everyone is doing in terms of posting, curation etc (including the people who power down !) It also indicates market cap being drained out of Hive.

It occurs to me that there are three basic reasons for people powering down;

  1. They're cashing out and getting out of Hive.
  2. They have an immediate emergency and no other sensible source of cash that doesn't involve borrowing from legacy financial sharks.
  3. They're doing well enough on Hive that powering down a set amount each week, month or quarter has become part of their regular income.

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What This Post Doesn't Cover

Number 3 certainly applies to developers getting funds from the DHF, and maybe some of the top witnesses who have to cover server and electricity costs. There might even be a few people who are powering down a regular amount to crate a side-hustle income.

People cashing out and quitting Hive makes me hugely sad, but I appreciate it happens. That's something which comes down to user retention, and is something we need to be a lot better at. It's also not the subject of this post !

There are a few other reasons for people to power down while still keeping the funds within Hive; maybe they want to buy HBD or Tribe Tokens, or need some liquid HIVE to meet SBI purchase commitments. I suspect those are less common than the three I've listed above. They're also not the focus of this post.

Who This Post Covers

I'm primarily writing this post in relation to people who power down because they have an immediate crisis to deal with. Maybe they've got car repairs to pay for, an unexpected tax bill, or something in the home has broken and needs to be replaced urgently.

It's actually probably better for someone to free up cash by powering down HP than taking out credit card debt or a loan at ruinous interest from a legacy financial institution. So there should be no guilt about what is effectively a very sensible way to fund an unexpected expense.

By the time somoene is powering down HP the chances are that they've already drained HBD savings down to nothing. It's far quicker than powering down HP.

What Could A Solution Look Like ?

I'm sure we could deisng an alternative that allows people to raise emergency funds without powering down. That way, Hive gets a real world application while at the same time preserving it's market cap.

I am not a coder of any kind, so I'm trying to think this through from a business perspective. Any feedback would be welcome about whether what I'm suggesting would work, or what barriers might exist that would need to be solved.

What I think might work looks like this;

  • A loan that is paid in HIVE, SWAP.HIVE or HBD, not HP.
  • The loan would be secured on assets held within HIVE - HP, HBD savings or maybe a few of the top long-term stable Tribe tokens.
  • The earnings from those secured assets would go to repay the loan, with the ability also for the borrower to "overpay" with HIVE or HBD to pay the loan off faster.
  • A smart contract would lock the assets to prevent the owner selling them while they're still acting as security. It would also enable the earnings to be paid to the lender not the normal owner.

I think the key issue is that most of the assets being used as security have very low earnings, for example HP needs to be actively used for curation to earn anything. It might be possible for the smart contract to take over a percentage of curation for the borrower by using automated curation trails (so many Hivers don't curate efficiently anyway !) It might also be the case that repaid borrowings could be placed in an HBD savings account or used to hold EDSI tokens until the loan is repaid, with the interest also going towards repayment.

I'm sure that when I joined Hive I saw a couple of apps which enabled people to borrow Hive, but I haven't seen any of them mentioned for a couple of years. That suggests they either didn't have a good business model, or they just weren't widely enough known or marketed to be viable.

If something is coded that helps solve this problem, it'll need to be widely marketed, possibly even to non-Hive users if we can find a way to secure other non-Hive crypto assets.

I could see it being part of the @distriator ecosystem, and I'm sure utilities could be developed to identify people with poor KE ratios who have regularly powered down so they could be (very politely and discreetly) messaged to make them aware of the service.

So what do you think ? Is this a crazy idea, or a facility that could benefit Hive users and keep market cap in the system ? What have I missed out or not thought about ?

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I'd be happy for there to be a way for me to keep growing and not power down. I had to...

My wife has a disability and is in constant pain. Because of the accident, she ended up being retrenched and has not been earning a solid income. She did get online work but that resource also dried up. She drained her own account and now my account is also drained.

This was never part of the plan.

Right now my only viable solution is to upskill at work and get a raise.

If I cannot get a raise I need a new job... I want to stay where I am.

Hopefully getting my Refrigeration Red Seal and my Project Management certificate and the hectic pace that I have been working will result in me getting paid better...

That and Claire getting a job are the only solutions that will really change things for me. I cannot imagine there being another way for me to earn or get $220-$250 per month extra... But yeah, if there was an alternative, I would be all ears...

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Yep, it's definitely tough - I've seen how hard you work and the awesome job you do of keeping it all together.

I think what I'm suggesting is a way to give people an alternative to powering down, so they keep their HP intact while having a way to cover emergencies.

But more and more, I'd love to see Hive as a way for people to earn a regular income as a top-up to real world work, and ideally as a complete alternative to it. Not just the witnesses and devs, I want to see ordinary Hivers doing it, too. I reckon the solution is to keep the HP to earn curation rewards and use HBD interest as a source of income. It's a reversal - HP becomes the long-term savings, HBD becomes the income generator.

20,600 HBD would deliver 250 HBD interest a month. While I appreciate it would take a long time and a lot of luck in avoiding real life crises to be able to build up that kind of stack, it's still a massively more achievable figure than what you'd need in traditional savings or a stocks portfolio.

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Yeah I have worked out those calculations countless times. I would LOVE to build up a big stack of HBD savings so the interest could become a supplimental income.

$250 pm would be R4400 here and that would cover groceries for two weeks and have some left over after.

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Yep, I am currently one of the "powering down to pay basic bills like electricity, phone, and rent" people, because I've dried up everything else at this point. I don't know what I'm going to do when/if my account is drained completely. Hopefully pet sitting picks up, but I think maybe people are traveling less because the economy sucks for everyone.

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Indeed. Good luck! I shall give you a follow!

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I am in deficit of 7000 USD, help me figuring this out LoL I am taking any HBD out at the moment

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Ouch - 7K is a lot !

The ideal is to keep the HBD in savings and just take out a percentage of the monthly interest without touching the capital, but that's more a long term project. Keep posting, and it'll get you HBD author rewards you can save or draw down...... Good luck !

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