RE: I am powering down - The extent of Hive censorship finally reached my awareness!
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A healthy system is one in which people see no point in being frauds and everyone has their own mind to judge what is true and what is not.
And how would you design this and give people a decentralised selfregulation mechanism?
Maybe with stake and up and Downvotes?
Or what is your idea to decentralise a mechanism to incentivise people in regulating in a decentralised manner?
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Well, I wrote above. Such a system exists on Blurt and works year after year, showing that it's working. You probably did not read what I wrote carefully.
I explain once again. Downvotes are like fighting weeds with herbicides. You may defeat the weeds and save 10-20% more time than with natural methods, but your food becomes toxic, and the soil dead, sterile and devoid of nutrients. Eating this food makes you sick and eventually you die prematurely from cancer or other nasty things.
And this is what Hive has become, although it had the potential for wider adoption and a place where interesting uncensored discussions take place, currently all the people who really think and write interesting content have fled because this or that whale with a higher stake started downvoting them for something they did not like. The rest, on the other hand, sit quietly and are afraid to speak freely so as not to attract attention and only drain the pool with boring posts that they write mainly for tokens, about neutral topics like photos of their breakfast.
On the other hand, those "politically correct" who always shout what the mainstream says so no one downvotes them, although no one "annoys them with their impudent thinking" are also really bored here because everyone just pats each other on the back and there are no sensible debates. So they fall into stagnation and go to FB to discuss, which paradoxically provides even more space for discussion than the "supposedly" decentralized,"supposedly" without censorship, Hive XD
No intelligent person wants to be here for any other reason than for tokens because the truth is that you can do it just as well on Facebook or Instagram to post photos of your breakfast and even make an influencer career on it where you can earn 100 x more than here, so why get familiar with some keys and complicated exchanges when you can also earn more on Insta and often more because there are bigger reach?
What most people were looking for here - an alternative - a space for free, unrestricted discussion, independent journalism and unrestricted blogging, is not here because there is no journalism without monetization reach, and there is no unrestricted discussion about how someone can destroy your profile if they don't like you just because they have more money.
There are also no reach because you see... although some are just spammers, what you don't understand here is that they are also potential recipients of the content. If someone is interested in a post simply, even if they were just posting AI-generated content for profit, they will join the discussion under the post, take part in a contest or buy an influencer's product, and at that moment they will give meaning to the existence of their channel and make the influencer stay with you longer and attract more people and more influencers.
A platform for wider adoption simply has to have room for all social groups even spammers, low effort content and plagiarists(authors should fight for their rights not the platforms). There is no room for them on hive so there is no space for grow.
Downvotes, in turn, create a toxic, hostile atmosphere of mutual surveillance, judgment and threat. It's like living in Communism, everything you say can be used as a pretext to call you a traitor to your beloved leader and destroy the profile you've been building for years
The main challenge I see is to find a way to both reward good content (meaning content other people on the network deem useful, helpful or valuable) while also making it impossible for one individual or group to dominate the network through sheer monetary influence.
I am still thinking on this, a lot and I feel I am far from a solution at this point. One way would be that you cannot buy your stake only earn it through activity. Maybe a listing will be announced for X time in the future so that everybody can prepare accordingly and be free of monetary influence of the token price.
You have posted here for the long run, and I also have. We are all in agreement that quick riches is not what this place is about. The rewards should be a side effect of adding value to the community.
The issue with icp is that so many perpetual markets exist that can create huge artificial selling pressure that actually has an effect on the spot price. just like with the silver market. i really have to get into tokenomics more and find models that better represent a fair and free discourse platform.
This really all comes down to
1 - granting everyone the ability to judge for themselves what they find worthy and not interfere with that
2 - helping everyone to see fraud when it occurs and let it be up to them to take that information to heart.
3 - being ok if other people vote in a way you see as stupid or harmful
For example: I have zero problem with a bot that auto comments under a post that has been written 100% with AI, notifying those who would potentially vote on it to take that into consideration before voting. What I do have a problem with if someone can take it on himself to override the community's votes on said post, even for the right reasons.
That is where we disagree also, you and so many on here say it is not "your rewards" until actual payout, but what this in effect means that even if many people find a post worthy and upvote it, someone else with dubious intentions can come along and zero that author reward and the curators' rewards out, increasing the non-zeroed out rewards for himself and his gang with the stake majority. This wouldn't be such an issue were it not for the fact that huge money can buy cartel structures on Hive which is exactly the same shit we have in the financial system at large.
Prohibition never works to reduce harm because of the social side effects, it would be much better to point out why a certain substance is harmful to the user rather than banning it for everyone.
Maybe I am idealistic and naive - two traits that have preserved my optimism over these past 15 years wading through a swamp of system lies - but the world I want to live in leaves it up to everyone to decide, a system that incentivizes to appeal to people's moral and intellectual standards to be convinced not to vote for something rather than muffling their voice.
All of this of course has only gotten more complicated with the rampant use of AI and bots.
Essentially we are trying to solve the Kali Yuga task of finding a fair and proper governance system for human beings that somehow ALSO rewards people monetarily for their efforts and is at the same time immune to hostile takeover by some big nasty cartel players and intelligence agencies.
Will we make it? ahahaha, it's 2025, I don't know if humanity is ready. With steem and hive it clearly wasn't.
If for you everything is only about the reward but you also do not go with the incentives to stake up so you can decide more over the reward pool as you see fit.. then maybe you should rather try socialism again?
I have a solution:
Maybe let people themselves reward with their stake in a decentralised fashion? Or do you want to decide what should be voted and which content people should deem good?
I also have a solution for the anti abuse.. you won't like to hear it.
Maybe just try the design and organise, throw the dumb cartel out?
You act as if you are the first noticing any problems. We have them since years. But most just wait till others notice to then follow the solutions or ragequit.
Lol good luck with that strategy.
I want @steemflagrewards and @freezepeach back
Instead of helping achieve what you and most other users here want since years, you all guys did not give a shit. let it leave on others shoulders. So because nearly noone took part in the design, we needed hivewatchers and now after everyone hates hivewatchers still noone wants to try out the original design.
Dumb humans, without hivewatchers or now even after abolishing downvotes all together, this place here would be burning and done because of all the vote farming bots, plagiarists, Circlejerks, and so on and on and on.
Now we have a functional place which is not good enough for you because of muhh rewards. Sad.
Maybe you guys are just lazy and want some weird blurt quick "fixes"
Good luck
To sum up.. Hivers supporting downvoting, of which you are an example, despise people and consider most of them idiots without a brain.
It is in such an atmosphere that this place called Hive is being developed or rather we should say Communist republic of hivers. I am glad you said that because now I will have a new place to which I can refer people and make them aware of what shit they are sitting in here and what the people who create this place think about them :P
Exactly the same level as the global elites creating NWO, WEFs and artificial pandemics for themselves.
You are simply sinking yourselves faster than anyone else could do it for you XD In your toxicity you already consider yourselves better than others and your downfall is only a matter of time.
Hive did not achieve success because it is a good solution only because it is backed by large capital of a few individuals who make their own ice cream on this hail at the expense of people who fell for it.
Unfortunately even the biggest money won't help you keep this shit going when people understand how it works. You'll mark my words.
No greetings ;)
You guys are so completely lost.
Just go to blurt and find out.
Or fuck around here and find out.
Or just go continue spreading your whining about evil Downvotes and evil insults. Pathetic crybaby.
But stop projecting your mind viruses.
No, it's simple man.. we are simply proof that something is not working and it needs to be changed.
Calling us viruses, parasites and others only shows your blindness and that we have right.
There can be no room for debate and normality in place where people fanatically believe in some solutions and for people who criticize this solutions in cultural and constructive ways, they have only vulgarisms and place on DV blacklist for them.
The fact that Blurt was created and for 5 years it has been developing despite the lack of serious funds and millions of USD and has not collapsed, but rather, contrary to your beliefs, is developing slowly. And fact, that more people here on hive are moving there from hive saying before they leave, that they have enough this place mainly because of DV, is ultimate proof that your system does NOT work properly and is fucked up.
Instead of that, you think it's better to swear at those who show you that you are wrong (mostly good people and former most loyal users from the past - i also was one of them since steem times) and call them stupid humans, parasites and blame them for you own mistakes.
This is embarrassment level of behavior, straight from kindergarten. Festival of EGO
You could draw conclusions from this, but you don't want to and that will be your doom.
Then change it instead of extracting value (stake) and not doing anything except whining.
You just disqualified yourself long ago, as it seems.
And you do not understand incentives at all, very obviously.
Luckily idiots like you cannot destroy this place for everyone else.
Luckily you disqualify yourself from having any power or having anything to say at all.
You talk to me like I was some rich capital hive elite.
You are so fucking lost in your Hegelian dialectics, it is not even fun anymore.
Complete shit in the mind.
Here you got a vote.
Stop coping, grow up and realize what anarchy means.
But no, you want to crybaby to get your perfect completely idiotic solution on a silver tablet.
Ah and your kind of complete looser cannot even answer a very simple question.
https://peakd.com/free-speech/@woelfchen/re-pravia3d-swbmjv
You degenerate only deserve Downvotes, cuz you are only an extracting parasite who cannot get enough and even admit it to use it as reason to (rage)quit.
Reality will eat you with hairs.
And yes you are a pure moronic idiot for wanting to sacrifice the whole platform to real abusers just because of your crying about some little flags and SOME less rewards. While being unthankful for everything hive provided to you.
I can tell you that 100 times more. You are so fucking stupid you don't even try to understand.
So stuff the shit up ur ass and go flee to blurt paradise, piece of shit.
Here you get a Downvote to start practicing:
Bro I get it. You want rewards and noone being able to "steal" your PENDING PAYOUT, because it is yoooours, you greedy guy have you also thought about the opposite example ever?
Being:
Pure abuse, noone being able to cancel it out completely or at all, because we just abolish Downvotes? What are the incentives? Everyone spams plagiarism and even worse for some quick rewards?
Ever thought about organising and banding together?
Enough fish can eat a whale. Also a hive whale. Cancel out the rewards of what you deem unfair. But stop whining and complaining while doing nothing, please.
xD then fucking stop your Downvote prohibition campaign right fucking now.
Getting hilarious
We have it. Don't need a system. Just let people do it. Maybe also take part instead of trying to prohibit it, make everything worse, just because you don't want to do anything but keep your few lost cents.
Go to blurt, "no" Downvotes. Noone takes your rewards, but they are just not worth anything at all.
I wonder why.
Or burn down hive with the wrong incentives. Just because you don't want to play along.
Abolish Downvotes. Noone can take your few more Hive on a post, but also noone cares because you will loose even more.
Maybe you get 1 Hive more because of a few less Downvotes but all your hive together ain't worth anything any longer with all the spammers farming with their bots and dumping them on the market lol
Great win. Then I rather take a few hive less because of evil Downvotes, but the hive are still worth anything.
No because you guys run away and exclude yourself.
It is like the self fulfilling prophecy in people claiming bitcoin to have failed.
No. You have failed to just accumulate and use bitcoin to your advantage.
Excluding yourself and giving the bitcoin network as a present to the elite is not a winning strategy.
You just want the perfect system on a silver tablet, but don't even realize in which kind of spiritual war we are as humanity.
This is not socialism paradise. You have to fight work and change. Adapt as you see fit.
Not whine, exclude yourself and therefore help your own fucking enemy to win.
Sorry that I'm so hard now.
But I'm also triggered that I again waste my time trying to explain while I have way more important stuff to do. And explaining did not work a single fucking time. Even not after trying it 100 times.
That's also why this platform made me learn to hate people stuck in their psyche, ego and narradigma (dogmatic narrative)
Luckily it is all breaking open, all the topics I'm interest in, especially materialistic science will go poof and be gone. I just was too early again.
So early that I wasted all my energy and no have no fun in it anymore.
Maybe some people will look at my "Hass als Gefühl und Downvotes als dezentraler Selbstregulierungsmechanismus einfach verbieten?" as well as plasma posts in like 10 years finally.
When I'm not early anymore.
But I'm also thankful, because without all the deep triggers and openly being segregated for my opinion (unimportant of Downvotes, I never cared about them, but I'm also a human social being) I would have never had the motivation to just write and present my perspective anyway. Also learned a lot to better formulate myself.
So also thanks for the triggers.