RE: A Speculative Case for Eternal Life
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There are no experiments we can run to make observations of, because we can't even detect consciousness directly. We can't observe it. We can't measure it. This is the sense in which the evidence is crappy. It isn't scientifically useful.
This is an example of what I am talking about here.
You are making big claims based on what you perceive to be the state of the entirety of life that exists - but you do not have access to that and most likely, no-one does. After extensive exploration of the topics you are addressing here, I know for sure that:
a) a very small percentage of valid scientific experiments on these topics are ever made public. the power involved is too great for those 'in power' to want or allow that.
b) science is not something that can only be done in labs, with funding and that requires publication. the essence of science is fundamentally the essence of exploration in life and it is typically used by most people on most days to some extent. since you are addressing the fundamentals of being a living being here, that means that there is a massive wealth of experimentation and learning to draw on - far more than will ever be allowed to be published in 'journals'.
Consciousness is 'being aware' / 'noticing'. What do you need to prove about it? If you notice any detail about the situation, you have proved it exists. It seems that you are referring to non physical self by using the word 'consciousness' - is that right?
You can absolutely experience, explore and learn about/from your non physical parts/aspects. In my experience, I needed to do extensive detoxification and quite a bit of internal healing to do this. This includes the understanding that judgement itself is counter productive and holds away right understanding. Judgements are limiting thoughts which obscure actual truth.
Discussing this without the necessary direct internal experience is not enough.
That's a mischaracterization of what I did say. I didn't say anything about life, except that some of it demonstrates consciousness. My comments are about consciousness.
a) is speculation.
b) isn't factually correct. I'm not addressing the fundamentals of being a living being. I'm addressing consciousness, and in fact state we have no way of knowing that consciousness is limited to living things, but can only detect it indirectly because some living being take actions that demonstrate it. You're mischaracterizing my statements.
That's part of it. Consciousness is also a noun, and that's what I am referring to, which is obvious if you read what I've said without bias. A lot of the problem we have with wrapping our heads around consciousness is that we don't even have very good words to discuss it, because we know so little about it.
Our disagreements seem to be caused by bias. You are mischaracterizing my statements to create straw man arguments that you can knock down.
You explain your bias here. Also your confusion. How can you understand unless you can judge between what is factual and what is not? Without judgment there is no understanding.
We have different definitions of the words being used.
For me, judgement is a limiting form of thought that skips over depth of reality in order to form a decision on something - which then tends to take hold as if it is fact. Discernment is the replacement for judgement, which holds space open for new thoughts.
consciousness as a noun refers to: "the state of being aware of and able to think, perceive, and experience" - which we typically correlate to 'living'.
unconsciousness also exists.
both are states of the essence of self/god.
in my way of parsing reality, you are grappling with existence and calling it consciousness.
What we call unconsciousness isn't not being aware and able to think. It's simply being non-responsive. It is well proven our minds are active during periods of 'unconsciousness'. A lot of our apparent disagreements are at least exacerbated by the very poor language we use to describe consciousness, likely because we have no idea what it actually is.