RE: LeoThread 2025-05-23 13:07

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Here is the #threadcast for today's episode of the Lions Den. It will start at 1 pm eastern time.

Today we will have @khaleelkazi on with us talking about some future tokenomics of Leo.

Leave any questions or comments below and we will take them on air.



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Honestly I think hive hasn’t grown because 1 or 2 people who have way more power than they should and scare people away

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@leo.voter created 18K new accounts since December of 2024 according to @dalz. INLEO is the undisputed king of onboarding 🦁👑

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and where are all those „users“, don’t see that many new around so must be mostly dead or bots or whatever ghosts …

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Whatever that apply to INLEO applies to the other onboarders too. This is only natural because every single social media platform/community is made of mostly inactive users.

I don't see many users coming from other UIs either.

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is hive really shrinking though? I see a lot of activity there. It’s hard to tell because someone chased away most of the people who give clear analytics

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I'd love to see Inleo distancing itself from Hive a bit, go back toward crypto friendliness, and embrace multi-chain thinking! 🙂👍

Probably not popular opinion though..

And no, I don't mean CT kinda degen mentality

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Yes, Khal has joined the room and hopefully be a speaker soon.

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Yeah, there's a potential for a snowball effect with new roll outs, some users move on after but some stay and after each new roll out, the base user core grows

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This is something new and amazing feature that most users are looking for. Love it seeing something that it hot right now. Well done Khal

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How do you see Leo’s tokenomics evolving compared to other crypto social projects like Farcaster or Lens?

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Do you use any AI apart from LEO AI? if yes which site you use for AI?

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Will LeoDEX require more server and spaces if it also offers services like staking and pool management?

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Not holding/staking TCY myself but in my opinion, it was a good call to focus on that on launch 👍. LeoDEX can then scale up to other assets in the future

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Being the first to the market is extremely powerful. On top of all of that, LeoDEX has some of the best UI. That is a combination for a killer DAPP.

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Where people listen to this? YT? TikTok?

Not many of us on X

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Is there any consideration to introduce a time-locked staking mechanism to further reduce circulating supply?

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With growing use cases, is there a plan to expand LEO’s utility outside of InLeo and LeoDex, like in broader Hive DeFi?

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Would LeoDex be providing staking and pool deposit services in future?

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Currently, the users have to go to other Maya defi apps to deposit liquidity, so I hope LeoDex will have this feature on upcoming hot list.

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Being the first to allow trades is functionally a monopoly. If you want to know what I think of monopolies, read this book:

ZCash Will Know About Us!

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Having a news feed on LeoDEX could be great. We could even sneak in some INLEO articles to get onboard more users to HIVE that will earn HIVE and be loyal to what INLEO team is doing.

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You wanna SWAP? On LeoDEX?

On THE non-custodial, cross-chain DEX aggregator that routes native assets across dozens of chains, powered by THORChain, Maya Protocol, Chainflip, and Rango?

THIS WAY PLEASE:

💪🏽🦁👍🏽 https://leodex.io/?ref=swapio 👈🏽

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About six months I switched from using CoinGecko to CryptoRank. Dunno, I like CR UI more, easier to navigate IMO. Also, CoinGecko feels a bit heavy on my laptop

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Do you guys get tired of grind? Like burn out and want to opt out of all drama on chain?

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Yes, there had a bit of a confusion among users about LEO going ALEO and moving to Arbitrum, but I think InLeo tokenomics is already sealed in whitepaper and we haven't received any updates regarding it being ALEO.

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Question
Will there be new tiers with respect to the future tokenomics for Leo holders?

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Khal you have great ideas. Sometimes I wonder if you pivot too early and fail to see the pieces coming together because it isn’t happening like you thought it would. But it doesn’t sound like a bad idea to try and transition to being less inflationary. I do think a lot more possibilities open up if you just finish building up a strong income stream and focus on onboarding without DHF

I know you won’t give up though so I’m not going anywhere.

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I think something cool is cooking for the lions.

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Having that thesis on why not to buy $LEO from an outsider is great. Feedback like this gives hints on what we need to fix.

It would be great to see LeoDEX has more use cases for $LEO. Remember, $BNB started with trading fee discounts.

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BTW, Khal you need to update the roadmap with upcoming update to LeoDex since most whale look for future plans to have trust in the app. You need to work on documenting updates and deliveries, make it like a checklist in roadmap.

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Look forward to it. Best of best for the show.

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A couple nice sized trades came through LeoDex while we've been live

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One of the best things to see is how LeoDEX is maintaining a steady volume. Although we have had better days with higher volumes, these days we are consistently seeing volume.

That means we are getting traction as a major DEX UI.

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Top 3 DEXs also have the highest users stickiness. Take a look at who is the challenger coming at the 4th place. LeoDEX's future looks bright!

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I really wanted to see Leo bring better investment to hive to revive the place and balance out

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I think it'll be a system tied to all Leo holders such that when Leo appreciates there will be more incentives or rewards.

Now I think I have to listen to that part again, haha. I guess I lost it.

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let the people optimize their finance - ❤️

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I will need to hear more about this. It sounds interesting but I can’t imagine it

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If we think of ourselves as being in a decentralized business together, many things fall into place. Follow where there is revenue! We can test few places and find what makes people spend money.

LeoDEX brings in money!

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Do you think LEO influence will list the Hive into other protocol websites or DEX like say Maya cacao etc and others?

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I think the only major missing piece for INLEO is ability to login with MetaMask, Ctrl, Vultisig, Phantom etc. Other aspects are more or less feature complete.

We can focus more on revenue now. Let's grow the revenue!

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the fact that you are looking for other people to cooperate with is the reason I’m not worried at all about my investment.

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pole position is very important in emerging thingies

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I can feel it about running a full scale website with plenty of interesting features costs a handsome amount of money. That is incredible doing business without making much out of it, it's dedication of Khal towards Hive ecosystem.

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Exactly, stake it and use it to curate more.

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That's a good one Khal. How soon do you plan to effect all these? In the next 6 months? One year? We are anticipating.

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A DEX that that provides a lot of useful info, charts can make it a go-to place for many to check stuff, like Task said, and while they're there... maybe just a little trade as well 😀.

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Fees are small compared to most DEXs. That is another great thing.

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Are they though? For example, fees on Jupiter are almost non-existent. Hyperliquid as well. On Berachain DEXs, you can probably swap with $0.50 for whole year!

Can you give an example of LeoDEX fees?

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It is 0.3% once you visit with your own referral link.

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I don't think that's very cheap compared to Jupiter, which I mentioned as they have 0.02%

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It feels like people are buying Leo. Most of the selling seems to happen anonymously or I don’t know how to see who is selling at least

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As a reference to buyback discussion, the Hyperliquid buybacks are crazy 👇

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Is there any place where we can find a full / lifetime $LEO price chart?

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Oops?! 👀

What does this mean?

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Can you send me a full screenshot with console log open? Also include which wallet you're on

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i‘m on ipad now … load failed is all the console shows here (1st image) … sent you a screenshot of the console on brave desktop two weeks ago already in discord dm (2nd image) …

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Also, I assume live charts with low time frames will be added at least once perps go live, right?

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let me swap $HIVE, plz , pllllease

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👎🏽

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ergo, I need to send $HIVE first to one of the other supported wallets?

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keine ahnung, hab ihn dann gefragt warum und welche wallet denn mit HIVE/HBD auf LeoDex funktionieren würde und wie so oft auf rückfragen keine antwort mehr bekommen … 🙄

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Manchmal wird man wirklich ignoriert. Wie zum beispiel auch bei den Auszahlungen von leo.voter :^ ) Das bleibt auch regelmäßig "stehen" und es gibt keine "nachzahlung" sondern nur neustart !LOLZ

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Versteh nicht warum das überhaupt stehen bleibt. Neuerdings hab ich das Gefühl das Inleo eher schlechter als besser wird.

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Naja, es wird eher gar nicht mehr … es steht einfach still …

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Ich hatte mal reingeguckt: der Auszahlungs-Account ist irgendwann leer - aber alles nur Vermutung.

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Das verfolge ich gar nicht so genau, bekomme es aber hier und da durch solche aussagen mit. Auch onealfa beklagt das immer wieder mal.

Meine feedbacks zu diversen bugs in der UI werden auch seit monaten ignoriert, es passiert einfach nichts. Die UX ist an ein paar Stellen einfach fürn Arsch. Scheint keine priorität mehr zu haben die platform zu pflegen, funktioniert doch und gut is.

Das hier und da mal von ihm auf irgendwas reagiert wird kommt vor, aber auf weitere rückfragen bekomm ich eigentlich so gut wie nie antworten und das fühlt sich ehrlich gesagt ziemlich scheisse an!

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Ich glaube das keine gängigen Wallets die Hive Blockchain händeln können. (Ich kenn zumindest keine.) Warscheinlich wirst du Hive irgendwie auf einer Exchange tauschen müssen.

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zB über Changelly was gefunden. Chain übergreifend. Hive -> Tether (ETH, BSC oder andere Chains). Lohnt sich nicht in kleinen Mengen da Gebühren.

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ja, aber mal ehrlich, was soll denn der scheiss bitte? in der vorherigen LeoDex version funktionierte Keychain doch problemlos! Hat der auch beef mit den Keychain leuten oder warum schneidet er diese einfache direkte möglichkeit ab? Hab noch kein vernünftiges argument gehört oder gelesen was das begründet!

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Ich weiß es leider auch nicht. Hatte auch schon dran gedacht das es da Lizensprobleme oder halt Streit gab.

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ok, dann bin ich wenigstens nicht der einzige der sich darüber wundert 👍🏽

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Ja, macht ja auch nicht gerade viel Sinn das es nicht geht. Da ist man auf Hive mit der Hive Wallet und es geht einfach nicht. Schneidet einige finanzielle Mittel der Hive User auf LeoDex einfach ab.

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How will the upcoming tokenomics support long-term holders vs short-term traders? Any mechanisms to discourage dumping?

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Can we expect token burns tied to LeoDex or ad revenue in future tokenomics? If yes, how aggressive will they be?

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I'm staking, providing liquidity, trading on many DEXs and possibility to monitor own progress, see airdrop points, own total volume - these work like magnets for me! 😂 I just keep coming back when I'm bored

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It would great if you also add technical analysis tools in coin information page, so users can analyze the performance within LeoDEX.

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You can back the LEO token with something that stabilize its price from being drowning further. Like creating bonds or even backing it with new native token on LeoDEX.

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Ads may generate enough revenue once we have 50K MAUs. The more we grow, easier it will be for us to earn more revenue. I'm even warming upto the idea of cutting down $LEO inflation. $RUNE is a great case study.

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proof of brain incentives are supposed to be to build a community or project and powering up to have more influence. But 2-3 hive whales scared off half of hive investment …. And it’s hard to build a community that wants to build a healthy culture

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im always curious who these big sell orders are. I always assumed it was you trying to stack hive to influence the DHF proposal…?

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Nope

I think it's people earning via leo.voter delegations and posts/threads/curation on INLEO

It's all new LEO inflation getting sold

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I guess threads gives a skewed view of where Leo token is going. I think most active threads users are stacking. Bloggers and delegators maybe not so much?

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Wen Hive Keychain returning to LeoDex?

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It may not

Download a different wallet

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why? which other hive/hbd wallet will work?

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Hive & hbd trading isn’t on LeoDex right now, so no need

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will it be back like it was before already? can’t be that big of an effort nor a problem, right?! If not then what‘s the reason of cutting this easy route between hive and the world, did i miss something in any of the AMAs? 🧐

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BTW! What are perpetuals?

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Trading using leverage (5x for example) - long & short.

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Thanks for clarity, I had that experience in the past with Forex.

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Yeah, it's the same. I'm trading with leverage on Hyperliquid but mostly do just spot

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it plays out like that at hive cause everyone knows they don’t have power unless they are a millionaire. I don’t know if we should give up on block rewards or not. I think if you bring a couple more good major investors who aren’t self destructive it’ll be much much better

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what about be a DEX with connected social media platform, not the otherway aroudn.

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thanks for the updates and your thoughts! !LOLZ

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yeah buy backs model would be something different!

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One interesting new trend on CT is this kinda mindshare thing, Kaito Yapper was first, I think, but now there's Cookie & GiveRep.

How it works: create meaningful content about the projects -> earn tokens

Inleo, do the same?

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I'm waaaaay late, but playing catch up! Appreciate the insight to understanding the pivot.

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The price will attract all the greedy folks.

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We don't need them though lol enough lions to keep the space alive.

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Will LEO ever integrate dynamic staking rewards based on engagement, like rewarding power users more directly?

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my fingers are itchy to type bit don't know the discussion.

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Hopefully they didn't ban it again here till then.

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What’s the vision behind future LEO tokenomics? Are we moving toward more deflationary mechanics or incentivized growth?

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Caleb hopefully you get enough funds to arrange a good PC to run YouTube.

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When Leo to $5 LET THE HATERS DYE SEEING THIS HAPPENING.

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Suppose I trade LEO or swap on LeoDEX, I'll get USDC in my account like earning for trading? How does it work?

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You should create a new token native to LeoDEX and use it for different purposes such as collecting fees, staking, liquidity pools. But, please not like the cub stuff.

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Images are working again, woohoo …

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I’m not sure how I feel about a pivot now, but I’m not worried about my investment here anyway

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It's always a great show. Thanks Task and Khal.

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