RE: Touching the third rail: Gaza (Eng/Esp)

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Are we not ready to evolve past this tribal thinking?

Unfortunately no, and it's been that way for eons. What makes this stand out among others is there is something to be had. It's always about something to be had, something to be taken away, something that doesn't align with whatever paradigm the powers that be have. There are people who live like what's going on in Gaza every single day of their lives, it just they don't have anything to be taken away, or nothing of value being given to them that matters, like billions of dollars a year from the world banks. You'd think that the Palestinians are the most prosecuted people in the world, but they aren't except for this fleeting moment in time. What makes it's fleeting is there's a beginning, and there will be an end. But for people like the Rohingya's, the most hated people in the world, it never ends. Where ever they go they are targeted and survive by living on muddy hillsides until they are again run out. (They were one of the first stories I did on Steem/Hive, called The Most Persecuted People in the World) They have nothing, they have no land, they have no money, oil, minerals, absolutely zilch, so they aren't worth the world's time. Unlike Gaza, where's there is an invested interested in the outcome the propaganda machine starts to churn.

The same can be said across most of the ME. I can't even describe how depressed I became when I was a moderator on Headline News, a middle eastern news blog where I friended the owner of the blog because he was always on late in the a.m. hours like myself blogging. So he involuntarily made me a moderator. I didn't even really moderate as much as I just posted up articles for people to comment on. Honestly, I didn't want to get in the middle of those messes of arguing, because much like we see going on today, it never ends, it never ends because there are literally dozens upon dozens of different religious ideologies going, sometimes it's over the most minute difference in how they interrupt passages in whatever religious book they subscribe. I know all this because the owner of the blog challenged me to expand my horizons of the media that I read. Like I said, I walked away from that experience so depressed I eventually had to quit the site. Because I realized whether it was something to be had or not, nothing would ever change. For the ME for the most part, once they stop coming together to fight a bigger foe, once it's done, they'd go back to fighting each other, usually over that minute difference in belief. We don't hear about it because these are small tribes of people, dozens and dozen of them that exist in the ME. It's nowhere near like in the US where different religions coincide alongside each other, they kill each other over it. This is why it takes brutal dictators to keep the peace, at times, even that's a struggle. It's another reason they claim since the fall of Saddam, that Iraq can't seem to put itself back together. To many different factions of people who feel prosecuted by the larger factions. This was also why the sticking point when the US tried to tell Israel that once Gaza was cleaned up, there'd be a coalition of Arab states taking over security control. They (Arab states), could technically get away with just shooting people who get out of line, whereas when Israel were to do that, it would make international headlines. Jared Kushner, the idiot that he is, actually makes reference to it in a statement to David Freeman once, he said that Freeman would come into his office and say, "we have to deal with two Israeli stabbings today." He'd tell them, "I told him to stop chasing rabbits, we need to go after the elephants, if you don't solve the underlying cause, none of this goes away." But Israel wasn't having anything to do with it, why would they, who'd want a bigger foe on their border. Back when I started digging deeper, I use to be outside planting flowers, and I'd have this overwhelming guilt complex knowing that children were living in bombed out basements in Syria, or while going shopping, stop and get a sub to eat, looking out over the produce section, seeing all that food stacked neatly so high, how abundant that was, how we take that for granted, meanwhile, people were living on a hillside in mud, washing their laundry in a creek, wondering where their next meal would come from. It could literally drive you crazy, the guilt, and there is nothing you can do about it, and it gets even more hopeless when you consider that even if there was intervention and all the warring stopped, they'd just start killing one another again.
This is why the globalist, and people like Peter Thiel, who is a known authoritarian, feel that the only way to make it stop, is to rule the world by tyranny. Like Elon Musk has openly said, "we have no choice but to kill those who think it's okay to kill innocent civilians", but to your question, how it relates to children, he said, "so that the next generation doesn't grow up to be murders." That's really why it's so ugly, why children are being starved, they firmly believe that they must instill in them, or teach them a lesson, a brutal lesson, that when you are taught as children in falsehoods, they plan to knock those falsehoods right out of them. His exact words were "After seeing the video of Oct 7th attack by Hamas in Israel, one that he commented, "..to watch the video where the murders are rejoicing, celebrating the murder of innocent people is extremely disturbing. So we have to do whatever is necessary to stop the hate. Essentially these people have been fed propaganda since they were children." Musk acknowledged the need to end the proliferation of "falsehoods" on social media platforms, like his own, saying, "And it's remarkable what humans are capable of if they're fed falsehoods from when they are children, they will think that the murder of innocent people is a good thing. That is how propaganda affects people's minds. So you know, I actually did talk with the prime minister, and I think there's three things that need to happen in the Gaza situation. There's no choice but to kill those who insist on murdering innocent civilians. "You are going to change their minds", he added. "But the second thing is to change the education so the new generation of murders is not trained to be murders, and the third thing, which is also very important is to try to build prosperity."

So, as it stands right now, everyone in Gaza, including the children, are basically being considered being in a re-education camp, they are being taught what Musk describes as not growing up believing in falsehoods, it won't be tolerated. You must die to be set as an example.
In this situation though, why it matters so much to them, is because there is something to be had. That is to use Gaza as a major export/import hub to ship energy to a market of four billion people into the backdoor of Europe and Asian countries. It matters so much to Hamas because they won't rule the roast anymore, taking in billions of dollars from world governments and banks. I am sure also, there will be resorts and other types of businesses built into the equation, but will it really bring prosperity to the Palestinian people? Probably just enough to get by on but not real prosperity. I might add though, that with so much at stake by all sides involved, it's really hard to determine who is really shooting at who. Like someone else said the other day, Hamas generally doesn't walk around in uniforms, it makes them a target, which is why it's been hard to remove them, they mix in with the population. They have a lot to lose if, not Israel technically, but the Abraham Accords succeeds, because the AA is dependent upon clearing Gaza. You will figure that out if you go watch the 2017 interview of Jared Kushner with Al Jazeera, "Time To Try Something New", when you are done with that one, watch his interview at Harvard last year, A Middle East Dialogue with Jared Kushner. You'll figure out what Gaza is all about, why those children are being starved like that. Don't be fooled into thinking that the Biden administration wasn't involved in this either, it was, Kushner even said in one of the interviews that they worked with the Biden administration to stay on track of the accords, and what would be more of a coincidence than them naming the operation in the Red Sea, Operation Prosperity Guardian. Yeah, there's prosperity involved, for the globalist and all their millions. I could go on for another hour detailing how Bibi shot down their neutral financial vehicle for investment into Gaza, and three months after he did that, Oct 7th happened, in the Harvard interview Kushner talks about how someone stabbed him in the back to remove him from office, as hard as it is to believe, Bibi and the Palestinian leader didn't want to go along with the AA. They were Trump's persona non grata's setting up the AA at first, and it was a fight until the end, but Trump wasn't having it, nor the globalist, and what's so telling besides the amount of money involved by the Arab states (fifty billion dollars), was people like Bezo's, Musk, Zuckerburg, and others, bought stock options to sell right around the time of the election, they sold millions in stocks and invested them in energy, than when the market fell, they bought back a lot of their stock. That's what this is all about, and they sold it to people, that violent attack on Oct 7th, as a terrorist attack, and the majority of religious people bought into it, been going on for decades, that's what you'll hear them say, and they believe it, and the globalist knew they would, and that's how they are getting away with genocide. Once you educate people though, they often times, have no words, it's really hard for them to come to face the reality that they have been taken so badly, all off the backs of their religious beliefs. That's why it's hard to make any headway, or lead way in getting it to stop, you need to educate people on the true intent involved.



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You know what gets me? The casual way we’re supposed to swallow this "necessary evil" nonsense. Like the world is a game of Risk and kids in Gaza are acceptable collateral so billionaires can draw new trade routes.

You’re right about the Rohingya and Congo. But that doesn’t make this less disgusting. It makes it more. It means the sickness is everywhere. And we keep letting it metastasize because we’ve convinced ourselves it’s normal.

And that line about re-educating children—Jesus. What kind of person hears a kid scream in a bombing raid and thinks the real threat is what school they’ll go to if they survive?

I don't care how strategic the land is. I don't care if the whole region turns into Dubai 3.0. If your freedom plan starts with the bodies of toddlers, I’m out.

This isn’t about tribes. It’s about power. And too many people are way too comfortable letting monsters run the show because they think they’re on the right team. I’m not picking teams. I’m sticking with principles.

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in my humble opinion, the main point on what he/she said above is that there is more children suffering all over the world, and I agree that any children suffering is bad, no question here. I'm a pacifist and I wish there was no children suffering. there is no doubt that there is children suffering in gaza, no question at all. but in this specific case, there is one thing that bothers me a lot, people only talk about the children of gaza and not elsewhere. why is that? because the children of gaza, besides suffering from hunger and violence, are also used in propaganda. they serve for a cause, and the more they suffer, the more they can be explored for propaganda. sad.

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Oh yes, we have to be very vigilant about the news we consume. Its obvious propaganda on both sides to be honest. Here's a rational voice on the subject.

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I agree with the guy on the video 100%. problem is that most people won't believe him

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This is a very conscious video! However I dont believe in good and evil

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please share more about this way you look at life. You've sparked my curiosity.

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Everyone of us have both… but what matters is how we use them. We all think in doing bad things.
Lets go for this case . Propaganda make people believe that there is a oppressed side and the other is the evil oppressor. That makes people bring bad sentiments about that and feeling that they need to bring justice for the oppressed! They do bad things for sure , that doesnt mean that they are bad. Let’s go with hamas for example that is cited in the video… we have probably leaders of the group or those who finance the group. They chose bad choices for their path. They manipulated many people to hate more their neighbours that only kicking them out is their solution! They aren’t bad… they were manipulated by the system. By the other hand hate has been blinding Israelis and many of them have also bad choices, including many of the IDF. But again we are talking about humans dwelling with good and bad thoughts… sometimes this bad thoughts win especially when fear , hate, ignorance fuelled by manipulation act. Not sure if it was clear. Hehehe Hamas ideology is bad for sure! But not the people!
This picture from today in a Canadian Synagogue today:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/vancouver/vancouver-island/article/disgusting-act-of-hate-victoria-synagogue-vandalized-with-antisemitic-statements/

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The most horrible among us feel that its completely Ok to be disgusting again...

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There are no more tunnels left in Gaza, they've all been destroyed, I don't know where he's getting his news but that's a pretty common established fact now.
A point of contention here is when he said the decision to withhold food a couple months ago is likely a war crime, but plays the same propaganda game by picking the times story of the ill child of which they used to show a starving child, asking why isn't the other child starving. One child not starving doesn't mean that in other areas, that children aren't starving after going two months without food. It could also mean that this mother, having a ill child, gets medical care and the family is prioritized based on medical need and more than likely being maintained in an area where supplies are still getting through. It's hardly imageable that such a ill child would even still be alive after two months of starving unless they were close to a place still receiving resources. It's also completely possible within the realm of all the churching of the propaganda presses, the whole picture was faked to sow seeds of doubts into people's mind's the honesty and integrity of what is being said going on, and that no one in Gaza can be trusted for what's being said.
When he talks about why Israel doesn't just wipe Gaza/Palestinians off the map, which they are totally capable of, there are many aspects to that, and one of those aspects which he speaks of is totally true, the maniacs, or another slice within the so called democracy that would have no problem with that what so ever. Years ago this was heavily talked about by Netanyahu in regards to those individuals who would absolutely destroy the temple mound if they had a chance and rebuild the temple that, biblically, will start the end of the world. His argument was who would want to set into motion the end of the world. On the other hand, retrospectively, in my opinion, if it didn't set the end of the world into motion, being one of the strongest held beliefs biblically, what happens when or if a belief as strong as that ends up being a fallacy, the proof of the start of everything they've been indoctorinated to believe may be untrue, the seed that sows doubt. Which would bring us back to what Elon said, "and it's remarkable what humans are capable of if they're fed falsehoods from when thy are children", which brings us back around to why Israel doesn't just obliviate Gaza/Palestinians to death, because there would be no one left, there would be no example(s) set, therefore it becomes much more concerning moving forward among groups of people who hate each other to the extent you see in the ME, if you obliviate people off the face of the earth due to their behaviors/beliefs, who is next if it becomes that simple of a solution, just get rid of them all. In regards to why Israel even allowed Hamas to exist, it goes back to that bigger foe on your border argument. At 13:00 minutes into this video, listen to what the guy says, and he's right, after thirty years of "supposed" peace between Israel and Jordan, maybe it's time to try something new, because peace only exist in the words of government officials, but it doesn't exist between the people.


That brings it back full throttle to exactly how Jared Kushner framed it in his interview with Al Jazeera, "Time To Try Something New", I mean really, I have a really hard time with people who can't understand exactly what he was talking about and what it means. I mean really, how hard is that?

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Why is that? Because it moves the conversation away from the terrorist aspect that people want to argue has been going on for hundreds of years, back to biblical days, and that people must accept it because Jews are gods chosen people. It brings it down to a different level, children are incapable of fomenting as terrorist but, as Elon put it, can become learned behavior, meanwhile in Gaza, they are being slaughtered/starved as a consequence of the actions between adults who are fully capable of fomenting, and carrying out those actions successfully. It is not propaganda, it's a last ditch attempt to move the conversation away from the arguments justifying it.

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There are arabs/muslims that are trying to show what people ignore. We need to be careful with biased and inflated information. Check this Yemeni talking about Houthis and the terror that they bring, and a powerful Hamas ally that is also in a war against Israel.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/03/1161471

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It's not a freedom plan, it's an economic plan, it has nothing to do with metastasizing, or normalcy, those words belong to the people suffering for decades, this is a fleeting moment in time for economic gain. There are no sides to be picking, only side is to convince those who stay on one side or the other what the real picture is. To deny the picture, is to deny your principles. You may get upset with me saying it, but it's the truth, if one can't see the bigger picture, they are blinded by their own self interest involved here. Which, in all honesty, makes them just as guilty as the perpetrators. Like Jarod Kushner said in one of those interviews, it's easier to say what you are for then what you're against. So technically, he's doing it for you.

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