RE: Proof of Brain is Dead, Long Live Proof of Social-Value
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Do your best to count the organic unique people posting and separate them from the bots now posting here. There can only be estimates, which you indicate you know damn well with that smiley. Arcange monthly posts stats relevant to such estimation, and I draw on them, as well as other metrics and people I consider reasonable and reliable judges. Make your best guess and substitute in your own numbers as you prefer. That will not change the reality but by fractional percentages, which are essentially immaterial to the point.
Do all bots owned bot the ~36 whales? How do you determine that they are all owned by the ~36 whales?
As with how you can't determine who is bot posting and who isn't. You can't determine who owns it if a bot is posting.
That changes your claim of we get the 1% and 99% goes to whales drastically. Because those are made up numbers. Anyone on the chain with a two brain cell can see that isn't the case.
You are just making arguments without any substantiating and I am refusing to entertain such arguments.
That was exactly the point of PoB. Because you cannot ascertain which post or comments are from bots, you cannot purpose to deprive them of rewards.
That isn't point of PoB, if you think that is the point the PoB then you don't understand PoB. PoB does not care about who creates the material, it only cares that material is created.
PoSV also does not say we should reward every comment, every post etc. If it is just an account spamming, "Thank you for your post" or such comments without any actual value, you don't vote for them. Problem solved.
A myriad of communities are potential and actual on Hive, and I am sure the Actifit community are happy you aren't the god of Hive able to smite them down. I do not particularly disagree with your sentiment, but I do disagree you should be the decider, and nor do I want intrahive wars over who has the right to post instead of 'Anyone can post anything.', as you point out in your comment. When Ned introduced the idea of communities, because it was tied to oracles communities had vastly greater potential than merely being a group with mutual interests. Communities were envisioned to be able to change how rewards worked, how votes worked, and to be able to be invite only or open to the public. When availed such enormous power to create variations on the basic platform communities would be able to demonstrate that one way or another was superior to other ways, and communities that adopted the best mechanisms would demonstrate the best user retention, and that would enable the platform to conquer the world.
We can differentiate bots from people. A variety of hashing mechanisms enables unique humans to be discerned and identified with each post. Such mechanisms Ned called oracles, and were integral to his idea to change governance of the platform from a plutocracy to a democracy. I remain convinced that change in governance is necessary for Hive to continue to exist.
Terrible idea, glad that was not implemented. And there is no hashing mechanism that would differentiate a person from a bot. Other than you giving up your biometric data and that is getting tied your account. Are you willing to give up your biometric data?
You first. Live by the standards you would force on others, or demonstrate your hypocrisy here for all to see. At least I posted numbers, and made effort to be reasonably relevant, rather than just speculating as you are without making the least effort to quantify even one single property or principle in the OP.
Posted made up numbers. Anyone can post made up numbers.
PoSV will improve Hive by 99%. See a number. That number means nothing because it is made up. Same as your numbers. If you come with a claim, you provide the actual numbers, actual data, actual sources. Not the others.
And asking me to quantify something that isn't quantifiable is just dumb. I do not make up numbers where there isn't numbers.
Edit: As to percentages of the take from the pool, that has been consistently growing in inequity from the advent of the platform. Some months back Holozor posted some numbers regarding distribution of rewards in reply to a comment of mine, and if you feel up to searching through our discussions using tools available on Hive, go ahead. I did draw on his numbers, but I have been discussing these matters with lots of people since 2017, and the inequity has only got worse. Back then it was about 90:10. Or you could work up your own estimations, as I did. If you don't want to hear mine, then make your own. It's hard to consider your criticism seriously when you have not made any effort to quantify anything at all.
And I found the comment you are talking about. There is nothing in it that support that 99% goes to 36 whales. On the contrary it supports that less than that is going to whales.
Lets say all the curation rewards, all the witness rewards, all hbdstabilizer rewards, all burns going to these whales. (Why would someone count burns as going to whales is beyond me.)
18% (30/160) of the reward pool goes to what hol0zor says actual authors. So according to you. 99% of the authors here must be whales' bots. Hopefully, you can see why that is an absurd statement.
And that is just by assuming, all other things going to those whales. But they also do not. I am not a whale, I receive curation rewards, many other people are not whales and receive curation rewards. Not all witnesses are whales.
So as you can see your claim that 99% goes to whales falls apart. Even the 10/90 split falls apart.
And I used the numbers that holoz0r gave you to disprove that notion. I did not bring any other number into it. If you trust holoz0r's numbers, than those numbers disproves your claim.
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Hello everyone I hope you are all good and well today in this post is some of the evidence to prove my case
If you didn't know I've been getting downvoted for a long time on Hive
They have been trying to bully me with downvotes and words but it doesn't affect me I've been online for over 25 years
So I've dealt with people like this before it's nothing new
But what they are doing is bad Very badi joined steemit like everyone else thinking it offers freedom but I must say steemit offered much more freedom than Hive does
Everyone already knows I only post my own original content I have no need to steal anything from anyone
I've been labelled a lot of things on Hive 😂 by the biggest farmers scammers and downvoters
Actions speak louder than any words do especially when them words are coming from a compolsive liars
I will keep updating this post when I get time
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A whale told me they had over 10000 accounts. When you have enough stake you can claim account tokens. The whales claim almost all those tokens. Some of us buy some accounts in addition to our 'main' accounts, but this is a tiny fraction of the free accounts claimed by the whales.
There are ways to detect AI, but they are subjective and becoming more difficult as AI gets better. However, there are several ways to identify unique individual people, and these can be employed to enable sorting people from bots. These mechanisms would have to be implemented on Hive to work, but that would make all those sock puppet accounts unable take rewards from the pool.
You have still not produced any quantification of any of your claims, yet you have the audacity to discount good faith attempts to quantify metrics on Hive and act as if your complete and utter failure to back up any claim you make with numbers is somehow a virtue. Refusing to entertain good faith arguments is deliberate ignorance, a sure sign of either the ignoramus' malicious intent to deceive, or incapacity to cope with reality. My reply here, therefore, is not intended to educate, correct, or persuade you of anything, but to show others you are either attempting to mislead them, and malicious, or completely incapable of useful understanding, and too stupid to provide beneficial direction.
So you recognize there is at least one mechanism (there are more) by which people can be differentiated from bots. I mention hashing because then your biometric data isn't made available to anyone, only the hash of it, that takes the place of your biometric data without revealing it.
You admit above I spoke truly about Holozor providing some numbers. I stated I used those, Arcange's monthly posts, and more, as input for my estimates. You may not agree with my extrapolations from those data, but that doesn't mean I made them up. You verified I didn't yourself, and say so. Estimates aren't just made up, they are best guesses based on available information. This shows you're lying here when you say I just made up numbers. You are a liar. Lying is deliberately misstating facts in order to deceive. This clearly demonstrates your intent to harm, to deceive with malice aforethought.
Since that's exactly what you're doing to me (you'll observe I responded to your demand for numbers with the statement 'you first'), you're not only a liar, you're a dumb liar, by your own standards. I noted you are either malicious or stupid, and here I must recognize you are both. Your malice is obvious, plainly displayed for all to see, and if you were clever you'd at least try to conceal your ill will and therefore deceive more victims, but you are clearly incapable of such cunning.
Everything is quantifiable, even if we cannot know the specific quantity. This is why scientific principles are based on estimations, probabilities, and empirical evidence from replicable experiment, because we are limited in our ability to quantify things, and must hedge our certainty with doubt to speak truly. There are mathematical laws, but only physical theories. To understand anything we must first admit we cannot know precisely, because we are not capable of observing everything. At best we can disprove false hypotheses that cannot be true, and what might be true we are left to devise theories from. Your claim this is not possible is limited to you, because you cannot do this, and cannot understand anyone that can.
Here you prove your inability to understand. Is every author receiving the same rewards? Of course not. Yet everything you say following this statement is based on all authors receiving exactly an equal share of rewards regardless of how many posts they make or how well rewarded each post is. All authors do not receive the same rewards, and it is obvious - if you look - that the more stake an author has, the more rewards they receive for their posts. HBDfunder comments enable curators to take all rewards, without any rewards to the author. This proves that the stated split between author and curators doesn't actually split rewards by that percentage in real life. This is true of all posts where authors decline rewards, and the actual rewards for a post in which beneficiaries are designated, as all my posts since I learned this could be done do, also vary from that percentage. Then there's tips, burn posts, and more.
You clearly do not. You have no idea what you're talking about, and this is why you are making false claims about PoB and maliciously attacking me for trying to explain things to you. I'll make it simple for you, so that anyone you have deceived can understand how you are deceiving them. Hive is a plutocracy in which a majority of stake is all that determines governance. ~36 (the ~ indicates 'about' because the actual number of whales isn't fixed. You'll observe all the numbers I have provided were preceded by the tilde, because they are not fixed and precise quantities) whales have the majority of stake, and have since the platform advented in 2016. Nothing else but stake determines governance of the platform. PoB, PoSV, nor any other mechanism can change anything about how Hive works, because the only thing that determines what code runs is the consensus witnesses whom are selected by those with a bare majority of stake, the ~36 whales. They make more money than you, me, and all the rest of us together, and they keep it that way.
That's all you need to know, and maybe, if you can understand that simple fact, you'll shut your lying mouth and quit deceiving people. “When an honest man discovers he is mistaken, he will either cease being mistaken, or cease being honest.”--Anonymous. You have tried to prove me wrong, but what you did is prove that you are not honest, and are determined to stay wrong.
Show receipts.
I am not talking about AI, you clearly also have reading comprehension issues along side being a liar :)
Your estimates are made up, not holoz0r's numbers. Two things can be correct at the same time. One being true, does not make other also true.
You are misstating your opinion as fact that are backed by numbers when they are not. They are opinions you made about here and share to attack people with no basis in reality.
Again, doesn't matter. It is statistically impossible for 99% of authors to be sock puppet accounts of whales as you claim. You try to sound smart to mislead people without actually knowing how anything actually works. All authors might not receive the same amount, but more than enough author receives rewards that it is impossible for 99% of author rewards to go to whales, it is impossible for 90% of author rewards going to whales as you claim. I remember you from edicted's post where you were again making baseless claims.
Putting a tilde on number of whales does not matter, what matters is your claim that they receive 99% of the rewards. A LIE you say with a straight face. Clearly, I know more than your malicious ramblings suggest.
If you were an honest man, you would have taken that quote to heart when you were proven wrong by the numbers @holoz0r provided rather than using them to spread lies around the place.
"I win because I said so."
Anyone reading this can ascertain the truth and who is right and who is wrong and I am confident I will not be the one who they are decreeing wrong.
And you can kindly fuck off :)