Let's Talk AI and AI on HIVE
I see fires of AI discussion is burning on HIVE again. As many of you probably know, I am a big proponent of AI both on chain and outside of it. But this doesn't mean I support every use of it.
With that out of way, let's talk what AI is in it's current iteration. Simply speaking AI is a tool and like any tool it can be used for nefarious means. We see this nefarious means on HIVE as posts written by AI posted by authors to deceive curators to get a cut of the reward pool. This should, of course, receive the same treatment as when we see plagiarized content, because in both cases intention is to deceive curators and defraud the chain.
But with every tool there are nuances, let's talk about AI that generates images like the one at the top of this post. Should we mention every time there are an AI generated image in a post that it was AI generated? I don't think so. If the main content isn't the generated image itself than not mentioning an image was generated by an AI is fine. At least it is fine in my book.
But what if the image is the main content of the post? Well, first of all, they should clarify that the image is generated by AI then we can move onto if we should reward it or not. Some AI generated images are result of a simple one sentence generation. We can judge these images as slops, like the one at the top of this post. But then there are AI image generations that have highly complex workflows that require quite a bit of work for to be as close to what the artist's imagination and intentions are. I think these kind of image generations are fine to be rewarded and you can adjust the reward if they include their workflow, talk about finer details of their workflow etc. There is a potential there for AI artists to flourish on HIVE rather than be ostracized.
What I see around all this AI discussion is that HIVE's current way of rewarding users (or distributing/decentralizing stake) is wholly unprepared. We are fine for now, some of us can tell when an image is AI or if a post is written by AI but AI is progressing when we are sitting on our laurels. Current reward dynamic of AI is wholly unprepared for when we can't tell if a post was written by AI or not.
Proof-of-Brain is dead, maybe it is time that we should look into other proofs.
I don't think this has really been an issue, I remember @castleberry has made posts for years about images he's creating using AI and explaining the worlflow and being curated and rewarded for it - by myself included.
It is very much about the deception part that you mentioned here. Over time with AI getting more complex and harder to tell - yes it's going to make our life as curators harder, especially for newcomers. There's going to have to be a layer of trust there along with benefit of the doubt but similar to some who may be running multiple accounts - eventually they'll make a mistake and get found out and lose their reputation and earning potential.
It feels like the longer you're active here the stronger you build your reputation and future earning potential - that's why it's so destructive and dumb to see someone and others defend and put it all on the line as we saw with recent events.
Well, I haven't seen his AI posts (If I have I can't remember) so I can't comment on that. Most I see from him are the HOTSHOTS. And I believe castleberry could be the exception to the rule here rather than the norm.
I haven't discovered any AI artists here, but that also could be due to them having better avenues than HIVE or me just not looking hard enough.
Yep, pretty much. Why would someone think that deceiving people and ruining years of cultivated reputation is a good idea is beyond me.
Yeah I just mean curators understand AI generation and the work behind it when you're trying to master it or create your vision, at least in images and art - it's not something new and those few who focus on that don't try and deceive anyone.
I don't think every curator do, nor every person on hive do and that segment were for the benefits of that don't. Because most people don't interact or see those complex workflows or that their impression of AI art have been tainted with the first image generator models and think that every image generation is done through a few simple prompts.
You certainly understand it, I have seen you use AI tools before and that segment was not really aimed at people that do understand it even though it was your post that prompted me to write this post. (Ba dum tss)
Yeah I get where you're coming from, things that take effort and are documented to portray what went into something deserve rewards. Similar like an artist showing their progress and workflow.
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STOPYeah it’s been an issue for a while which is weird. It feels like it’s only been a year but the GPT models started two years ago.
Thankfully there are many ways in which we can figure out what is AI versus what’s not.
There is not going to be many ways left in a couple of years, that is what my last paragraph is all about.
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