RE: On Downvotes, Stake and Power
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I disagree on this being a good downvote, it doesn't matter if the stakeholder is blind or voting automagically or many other things. You are removing their vote without an actual good reason.
-> The whole point is that you don't need a valid reason to up/down votes something the votes just represent how you think the post should be rewarded
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You should read the discussion again, my whole point is that you can do the downvotes at no cost to downvoter. If it cost the downvoter their voting power then sure they shouldn't require a valid reason. Because that way it comes at a cost to them.
Yes, but upvoting come at a cost ?
In both case you loose voting or downvoting mana. So i don't really spot a difference between a up or down vote
Downvoting is a separate pool from your normal voting. It is precisely chain giving you free 25% of your upvote pool as downvote pool.
If you upvote a post, and I come and downvote it. You lose your upvote but I don't lose my upvote. I am free to go upvote a content. You lost the value you would get from your upvote, I did not lose the value I would get from any of my upvotes. That is the cost.
Or lets say there is a malicious downvoter, to undo the damage he has done you would need to spend your upvote which incurs an opportunity cost. Downvotes don't have these opportunity cost as long as you don't use more than your downvoting pool.
When i mean't a cost it was a "real cost" your not charged hive directly for any of those, if you off set one of my votes, then i can off set one of your votes and we end up both having lost our VP and DP.
That's why it auto regulate,
It would cost to undo damage, but you can still undo his votes too
Yes but if I don't post? What then?
You would have to target posts that I curate but those could be just random people. Now you are targetting random people to get at me. It comes with a real cost.
Also adding that you will never be able to counter me. Because for example my whole DP pool is equivalent to your whole VP pool. That is the asymmetrical power.
Well if i donwvote to counter your vote there a high chance it was on someone else post anyway, but since we both cancel each other vote in the end the people we curate dont lose / gain anything
No, people we curate lose because downvotes are not applied to one specific vote. It is spread to all curators that voted on that post. So you are once again attacking random people to get at me.
If I was malicious this just works directly in my favor.
But "malicious" don't mean anything, your free to vote/down vote anything so there are not really any "malicious" downvotes, i should be able to downvote content because i dont like it just like on reddit no ?
Problem is downvote pool is free, it doesn't incur an opportunity cost on the downvoter. Opportunity cost is bore by those who upvoted. Which invalidates their stake.
If it incurred an opportunity cost to you to downvote then sure you should be able to downvote to your heart's cost. Because you are the one paying its cost, not others.
If DV had a cost i would downvote and nor would anyone because you have more interest to not get a cost that to preserve the inflation
That is a you problem. If someone cared strongly about something like illegal content and abuse they can easily spare some of their voting power. If they cared strongly cared about overrewarded content they could spare their power. And whales that do use downvotes have spades of power to spare. Most of their downvoting activity would not cost them more than 2% of their voting power.
Mmmh, i dont really see how it would be positive though haha
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If you didn't know I've been getting downvoted for a long time on Hive
They have been trying to bully me with downvotes and words but it doesn't affect me I've been online for over 25 years
So I've dealt with people like this before it's nothing new
But what they are doing is bad Very badi joined steemit like everyone else thinking it offers freedom but I must say steemit offered much more freedom than Hive does
Everyone already knows I only post my own original content I have no need to steal anything from anyone
I've been labelled a lot of things on Hive 😂 by the biggest farmers scammers and downvoters
Actions speak louder than any words do especially when them words are coming from a compolsive liars
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RE: Understanding Pointers in C Programming
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