Putin's lies about Poland in the interview with Carlson.
I watched Tucker Carlson's interview with Vladimir Putin. The first part of the conversation was a kind of "historical lecture" by the President of Russia. However, his statements were bizarre. According to Vladimir Putin:
Poland already in the 13th century oppressed the people of Ukraine.
First question is, which Poland, since in XIII century it was divided into independent principalities (Fragmentation of the realm).
The second question is where these lands were. Poland in XIII century didn’t reach so far to the east. Some western parts of Red Ruthenia were conquered later - in the 14th century.
Putin claims that Poland in XIII century forced Orthodox priests in the lands of present-day Ukraine to convert to Catholicism which is false. He also claims that at that time Ruthenians were writing the letters requesting assistance in their difficult situation to “Warsaw”. But Warsaw wasn’t the capital of Poland at that time (apart from the fact that Poland wasn't unified state at that time). Warsaw was a small fortified town in that time, founded around 1262. Even after the end of period of fragmentation (XIV century) Cracow was the capital.
The Grand Duchy of Lithuania was already Christian and Orthodox before the union with Poland
So why did Vytautas convert in 1383? It is the truth that many parts of the Duchy of Lithuania were (more or less) Orthodox since 988, but the rulers were pagan, so the state was also pagan.
The Bolsheviks during the war with Poland in 1919-1921 aimed at "rebuilding statehood".
The real reason for this war was the desire to bring the communist revolution to the west. Poland defended itself despite almost no support from the West and the enemy's enormous superiority, and defended Europe against communism.
In 1921, Poland, under the treaty ending the war with Soviet Russia (the Treaty of Riga) received Ukrainian lands up to the right bank of the Dnieper.
That's about 300 kilometers more to the east than Poland really had. Polish-Soviet border run before WWII on the river Vilia not on the Dnieper.
In 1939, Poland cooperated with Nazi Germany and formed an alliance with them. It was Hitler's ally, but defiant and uncompromising, so he had no choice but to attack his ally.
This is such an outrageously false claim that it makes me want to punch this gnome in the face. Poland has never been an ally of Germany. I think last time Poland had good relations with Germany was in the late X / early XI century, with the Otto III the Holy Roman Emperor and it lasted only 3 years.
During the years between WWI and WWII everybody in Poland knew that we have two potential enemies hungry for our land – Germany and USSR. Our government has concluded an alliance agreement with France and Great Britain. It was a response to the threat from Germany. The truth is that Germany and USSR were allies. They coordinated attack on Poland from two sides – Germany started the war on September 1, 1939, and the Soviets attacked from the east on September 17. Then they divided the Polish lands among themselves in accordance with their allied arrangements. They were allies, but each of them was preparing to attack their "friend" (Germany did it first in 1941). Between 1939 and 1941 official propaganda of both Germany and USSR was friendly to each other (for example Nazi Germany was portrayed as a brotherly workers' and socialist country in Soviet Russia). The things Putin says about "Poland's cooperation with Germany" fit perfectly into his own country.
It is true that Poland took back a piece of Czechoslovakia's territory in 1938 - but these were disputed lands, inhabited mostly by Poles, which Poland believed were unfairly given to Czechoslovakia in 1918. It had nothing to do with cooperation with Germany. Moreover, Czechoslovakia itself remained quite unfriendly to Poland, which made it impossible to achieve a common front with it against Germany.
As a result of the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact, Russia regained its historical lands
Most of the lands USSR took from Poland in 1939 were historically Polish lands that Russia had taken from Poland as a result of the Partitions of Poland at the end of the 18th century. Poland regained these lands in 1918, when it regained independence after 123 years of partition by the Russian, Prussian and Austro-Hungarian empires. About half of these lands came back to Poland in 1945.
All the lands that the USSR acquired as a result of the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact remained in the USSR after the war.
Did you know that Białystok was in the USSR since 1945? No it wasn’t. Like I said before – about half of these lands came back to Poland in 1945, other are now parts of Ukraine, Belarus and Lithuania.
Gdańsk is a German city with a Polish name
(Vladimir Putin suggests that it is a fundamentally German city that was not Polish before, and the name Gdansk was artificially invented). However, the truth is that Gdańsk is fundamentally Slavic, annexed to Poland in the early 12th century after the conquest of the Pomorzan tribe by Polish king Boleslaw the Wrymouth. The oldest preserved name of the city is the Latinized inscription "urbe Gyddanyzc". The German subjugation of this city is a later and shorter episode.
Putin is not the first one who distorts historical facts about Poland. We see also Germany, Ukraine, Belarus, Israel doing this. Some of these lies are circulating around the world, like the one about "Polish death camps" (these was GERMAN death camps located in the lands conquered by Germany and under German management).
I agree with some of what you say, but I also think about some other things.
I agree. To say that they were allies seems completely absurd to me. However, I think it would also be fair to say that, although they were never allies, and were far from being so, as far as I know, the government of Poland at the time, then a military dictatorship, tended ideologically towards the Third Reich. In fact, they signed a pact in 1934. Poland obstructed any kind of agreement between the Allies and the Soviet Union, because it was totally against the USSR. And their problem with Germany was not properly political, it was simply the fact that Germany wanted to regain its former territories and probably also to expand eastward.
So, I agree that they were not allies, which is absurd, however, they had similar inclinations in a sense. But you probably know more about this than I do.
This is also not true. Hitler signed a pact with the Soviets simply so as not to have two fronts, but that did not make them allies. Then he attacked them. He also signed a pact with Poland, as I said, and also attacked them, does this make them allies?
This is contradictory.
I think it is a mistake for Putin to defend the Soviet Union as if it were something patriotic. I wonder if he thinks of Kaliningrad as a German city, or just conveniently ignores that.
But then again, you probably know more about Polish history than I do.
There are different types of alliances - long-term and ad hoc. The fact that they planned to attack each other in the future did not prevent them from forming an alliance against another country in 1939.
Germany and the USSR attacked Poland together, in agreement - this makes them allies at least for the purposes of the war with Poland. The USSR later falsely claimed (and still do) that "they were only protecting the people in eastern Poland", but they were attacking and disarming Polish troops whenever they encountered them. If their intentions were as they declare, they would not use force against Polish units.
Poland did not agree with Germany to attack Czechoslovakia, but used the situation to its advantage to annex the disputed area without the use of force.
Hitler's 1934 pact with Poland was a non-aggression pact and nothing more. The Hitler-Stalin Pact (Ribbentrop-Molotov) was a pact on joint aggression against another country and the division of that country's territory.
That's not true. The political situation in Poland was complicated and thick books were written about the politics of that time. Although it was not the same democracy as in Western countries, it was certainly not a totalitarian system based on racial hatred, chauvinism and the desire to take revenge for the humiliations of the Treaty of Versailles.
The ideological sources, the practice of the state, the economic model and the values that guided the authorities were certainly different. From today's perspective, the authorities of that time are often criticized, including: for limited parliamentarism, excessive centralism and too large a role for the state, but no serious person compares the Polish authorities of the 1930s to the Nazis.
Love for the USSR and its supposed virtues and glories is common among Russians today, it is almost a paradigm. Despite everything, Putin has to strive to be popular among Russians, and he himself is also subject to the distorted perception of their history that is common among Russians.
But Germany attacked the USSR practically in the course of the same war. And the Soviet Union did not help Germany to fight with the nations that were at war (namely England and France). Even though, by the time the USSR invaded Poland, the Allies had already declared war on Germany.
So I think to say they were allies is, at the very least, misleading. But it's a purely nominal question.
You're right. Although the German-Soviet pact was initially and primarily also a non-aggression pact that later evolved into something more. In the original pact there was no hint of the invasion of Poland by the USSR, that is something that, due to circumstances, happened later.
I don't. However, I do believe that it had inclinations, at least, greater toward the Axis than toward any other power center. The same as with Romania, Hungary, Bulgaria and/or Yugoslavia (the latter at the beginning of the conflict). Are all these governments comparable to Germany? Of course not, yet they allied with it.
But I don't think we disagree much either.