Hive | The Mimimum HP To Get Upvoted?
Content alone is not Enough
While I believe that everyone would more or less be free to do whatever they want on hive as long as it's not blatant abuse, it does feels that content alone should not enough to get upvotes. I could give so many examples of accounts that have been on hive for 5+ years, post content almost regularly and get good curation which just all get cashed out, delagated, or put in HBD Savings putting their vote at near zero value. While not everything on Hive needs to be about the earnings, it still kind of stings and feels like something that should not be tolerated.
Fair Minimum Hive Power Requirements
So I came up with some numbers I think are fair and achievable as Mimimum HP Holdings (or lease) needed for someone to potentially get my vote. This mostly depends on how many years active they have been on Hive as an easy metric to follow.
| Join Year | increase | Minimum Hive Power |
|---|---|---|
| 2025 | New | 0 HP |
| 2024 | +100 | 100 HP |
| 2023 | +200 | 300 HP |
| 2022 | +300 | 600 HP |
| 2021 | +400 | 1000 HP |
| 2020 | +500 | 1500 HP |
| 2019 | +600 | 2100 HP |
| 2018 | +700 | 2800 HP |
| 2017 | +800 | 3600 HP |
| 2016 | +900 | 4500 HP |
| 2015 | +1000 | 5500 HP |
The way I see it, if you are below these numbers based on the join date (with the exception in case there was a long break) you are most likely a net negative for the Hive Ecosystem and don't really deserve to be upvoted.
At the same time it gives everyone a chance to build something from the ground up fairly easily while there is room to take out some earnings. Also if the day comes you want to quit you are free to take it all out but you can't really start back resuming your blog without either getting a minimum of HP back by either buying it or leasing it.
The Reality Is More Complicated
I realize this oversimplifies it as some don't nearly get that much as the years add up while others get way more which make the requirements too low. It's also nice to see Splinterlands already put some requirements for the creators to be good for Hive in order to get their upvotes and it feels like we are on the right track. Upvotes and curation either manual or auto, along with downvotes and certain types of content also tend to be a controversial topic many seem to have a different opinion on which can make the platform toxic at times.
Hive Price & Sell Pressure
One of the downsides of Hive is that it's an inflationary reward token that tend to put pressure on the price as at least part of the earnings are dumped by users while more an more new people who are willing to buy Hive need to come in.
To be honest, I think it's actually quite impressive the Hive is holding up well above 0.1$ looking at how some of the other social media crypto platforms went all the way down to almost zero. I still very much Love Hive for what it is and will continue to blog regardless what the price is doing.
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I like your approach
Thanks, it's really an easy instant way to be able to make a first judgement that is rarely wrong.
Very good idea, I really support something like this, keep up the spirit 💪🤗
Thanks, I would say you make the cut but at the same time (without judging) when looking at the fact you made 4 posts in the last day and have already 2 withdrawals within a couple of months on the platform it kind of feels like a classic value extractor situation. Especially with the curation you are getting, I would say try to rent some HP with the HBD you earn, that will get you a lot further in the long run.
Nice to see your are active in the comments though, good luck!
This is a wonderful idea! In addition to the KE ratio (KE Ratio = (Author Rewards + Curation Rewards) / HP) of under 3: https://beebalanced.streamlit.app/ this would be a good criteria for upvotes.
The only thing is why are your requirements for HP so low? I think that 3 to 4k of HP for someone who has been around since 2022 is reasonable. I have not been consistently active on HIVE since 2022 and still got 5818 HP in author rewards.
I think you can raise all your minimums by a 1000 HP except 2025 and be good :) What do you think?
The KE Ratio is also great but it would be nice if it got integrated into the platform somehow. Purely as a quick check of someone is legit it's too much work to go to that site and check. Imo there should be bots that leaves comments to the extractors letting them know that it's not ok what they are doing. Also from what I can tell, Delegations don't count toward the KE. I don't mind if someone 'cashed out' for example when they want to anticipate the top of the market and lease HP instead to buy back later at a lower price.
The numbers I came up with are just minimums. It's also rather hard to put a number on it as there is a difference between Hive at a 0.1$ price and Hive at a 1$+ Price.
Generally, the idea is just to have a quick way on how to judge users before upvoting. Honestly, I would not mind for there to be a downvote initiative to get the extractors out of the ecosystem or at least have them change their approach.
Are you missing a zero in the last column...?
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Great idea. How about considering KE ratio too?
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I like the KE Ratio, but for as far as I know it excludes Leased Hive Power and it also takes going to an external site and manually searching the username to make a quick evaluation.
I think ke ratio is better. Gotta compare how much they earn to how much they have staked, not by the date they created their account
Both are not perfect I would say, to get a really quick evaluation the hp vs Join date is really easy. For a more detailed evaluation, the KE Ration is probably better but it takes longer to check and it excludes delegation for as far as I know. It would really be nice if these things got integrated into the front ends and there to be a general knowledge giving a stamp to all the blatant extractors. So many still that get very high upvotes by curation initiatives who only really hurt the Hive price and give nothing back.
yes there's no perfect system, I can agree to that. However, I feel to have a sustainable ecosystem and looking for long-term to prevent issues like you said about the blatant extractors, KE Ratio is a better evaluation as it's taking in more factors and I think it's a system that can still be improved upon. What we are seeing now is just the beginning.
Activity needs to be measured as well. I just don't find join date to be a good evaluation because there are some people here that came from splinterlands. For example, I am one of them. My join date is Jan 2022 because that's when my hive account was created for my Splinterlands. i actually never interacted with the blog side of Hive until maybe Dec2022 if I'm not mistaken and probably didn't actively post until feb/april 2023 hence the hp vs join date can be quite flawed in this case.
I know everyone likes things fast and easy now especially in our current times aka super short low attention videos (tiktok) but I don't think it's the way. Let's put some more effort into making a better system yeah.
Who knows maybe they will incorporate a way to factor in join date to the ke ratio as long as it was a fair measurement, I wouldn't mind.
oh and with ai and coding. this can easily be fixed and improved over time. the speed to check. If I'm not wrong