Hive’s Inflation Drama: Why the DHF Needs Discipline and the APR Needs a Therapist

A witness perspective by @borniet/@botlord (yes, vote for me, don’t be shy)

Before we dive in, here’s the article that sparked this whole reflection:
https://ecency.com/dhf/@threespeak/how-to-reduce-hives-inflation-problem-our-new-dhf-proposal-voting-criteria-hbd-apr-and-a-proposed-value-plan-sop

Look… Hive Is Incredible. But Let’s Be Adults For A Second.

I love Hive. I’ve been building on Hive, investing in Hive, curating, sweating, writing, breaking things, fixing things, delegating… everything. And like any long-term relationship, sometimes you need that brutally honest moment where you admit:
“Honey… we might have a small inflation issue.”

But — and this is an important distinction — not all inflation is the same.
Some inflation is perfectly healthy.
Some is market-driven.
And some is just the result of handing out funding to projects that are really good at asking but not always as good at delivering.

Let’s dissect this with honesty, humor, and hopefully at least a few brain cells left.

The DHF: A Brilliant System That Needs A Serious Reset

I fully agree with ThreeSpeak on this point: the DHF has drifted away from its intended purpose. It should be a strategic funding engine for Hive’s growth. Instead, it often behaves like a generous subscription service with weak renewal requirements.

We’ve all seen proposals that:
• run far longer than needed,
• deliver inconsistent progress,
• lack actionable KPIs,
• or provide minimal reporting.

Meanwhile, builders who do create value sometimes struggle for support.

This isn’t malice. It’s simply a system with no guardrails.

So when ThreeSpeak proposes:
• short funding periods
• mandatory KPIs
• transparent milestones
• tighter budget discipline
• quarterly reporting
• automatic discontinuation without updates

That’s not centralization — that’s professionalizing the DHF.

And honestly, that’s long overdue.

I fully support tightening DHF governance. It’s good for Hive, good for investors, good for developers, and good for long-term economic stability.

Now The Hot Debate: Should We Drop The HBD APR?

Ah yes… the part where emotions rise, and everyone suddenly becomes a monetary economist.

Let’s keep it simple and sane.

Is Hive experiencing inflation pressure?
Yes.

Is the 15 percent APR the main culprit?
No.

Should we slash the APR to 6 percent?
Absolutely not.

Here’s why:

1. APR Under 10 Percent Makes HBD Uncompetitive

If HBD yields drop below 10 percent, many users will simply move funds to better opportunities.
And what happens then?

They convert HBD into HIVE.
They sell that HIVE.
Selling pressure rises.
Hive price dips.
Debt ratio worsens.

We basically fix nothing and create new problems.

2. Most Of The Inflation Issue Is Actually A Price Issue

This is the truth no one likes to talk about:
Hive is currently undervalued because the entire crypto market is moving sideways.

If Hive returns to, say, $1 or $2, the so-called “inflation crisis” shrinks dramatically without a single parameter change.

The DHF cap becomes proportionally smaller.
The debt ratio stabilizes.
HBD minting pressure drops.

This is not a system meltdown — it’s a market cycle.

3. HBD APR Creates Less Harm Than DHF Spending

The yield from HBD savings is typically held, reinvested, or used internally.
DHF payouts, on the other hand, eventually move to exchanges.

If you want to reduce inflationary sell pressure, you don’t start by nerfing the least harmful mechanism.

You start by fixing the one with daily market impact.

My Position As A Witness

You want clarity? Here it is.
Crystal clear, no hedging.

Fix the DHF now.
Adjust the HBD APR only if the debt ratio ever truly demands it — and not before.

I fully support:
✔ Stronger DHF accountability
✔ Shorter proposal cycles
✔ Hard KPIs and real reporting
✔ Funding based on delivered value, not tradition
✔ Financial discipline and transparency
✔ Making the DHF something the entire crypto world would admire

I do not support:
✘ Dropping the APR below 10 percent while the market is this low
✘ Making HBD unattractive compared to alternatives
✘ Triggering unnecessary selling pressure
✘ Creating a self-inflicted debt ratio problem
✘ Solving symptoms instead of root causes

Hive deserves strategic action, not panic reactions.

A Balanced, Long-Term Solution

Here’s the approach that makes sense:

  1. Fix DHF governance immediately.
    This is where real long-term stability begins.

  2. Maintain HBD APR at or above 10 percent unless the debt ratio crosses danger thresholds.
    Let the numbers guide us, not fear. My suggestion? 12%!

  3. Review APR in small, measured adjustments if needed.
    No shock therapy.

  4. Build a culture of transparency and output-focused development.

  5. Ensure the DHF funds legitimate, value-generating initiatives.

This path strengthens the economy, protects user incentives, and supports Hive’s long-term vision.

Final Words

Hive is powerful. Hive is unique. Hive is resilient.
But Hive also deserves responsible stewardship.

If you want witnesses who think, who challenge assumptions, who don’t rubber-stamp proposals, who look beyond short-term noise, and who actually care about Hive’s future…

Vote for my witness: @botlord -> https://ecency.com/witnesses

Let’s build a Hive ecosystem that is disciplined, sustainable, and prepared for the next bull cycle — without shooting ourselves in the foot along the way.


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I've been advocating for decreasing the HBD APR for years. I believe the healthy rate shall not be over 6%.

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Interesting. What is your argumentation for that? (Truly interested here!)
If it goes below 10%, I don't see too much reason for people to keep HBD, especially not in their savings wallet, as the return they can have by putting it to powering up their Hive can be much higher. And since HBD is basically a lending system to be kept in balance with the Hive that is in circulation, we do need to have HBD on the scale as well to keep the balance.
Or am I missing something?
BTW: I noticed you removed your witness vote from @botlord right after the HardFork, for which I was a little too late and missed some blocks. If you'd reconsider, I'd be very happy, and I promise never to let it slip again ;-)

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I did remove the witnesses which weren't HF ready, I will check it again in a week or so :)

Here's my 2 years old take on the topic: https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@godfish/4-reasons-for-lowering-the-hbd-savings-interest-rate

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Well, thanks for reminding me on browsing through my own witness votes list again ;-) It was a good time to do that now :-)
Read your take on the topic ;-) And I agree on your points, but I think the solution lies more in the middle (12% ;-) ).

  • True about the demotivation to participate. For some. I think if you lower the APR to 6% now, you will get a shift from HBD to HIVE for people that are already active on Hive. The ones that have their HBD parked here for nothing but the gains will not suddenly become active, they will or never notice (or in a few years only, when they want to bank their gains), or they will notice, remove their HBD and be gone from the network, looking for something better. At the same time, you are "punishing" the ones that were always here, were active & saving at the same time, and will continue to do so.
  • Same goes for the governance & long term activity I think. Having a nice savings account on Hive keeps people here, and keeps them active to receive more HBD through posting. Lowering it too much will chase them away.
  • Not sure about the currency adoption point... I do hear from a lot of people that they have their HBD in savings, and use the interest payment as liquidity. I even know of a few who count on that to partially feed their families.
  • The 20% interest as a red flag, yes, agree on that, it does make the whole thing look quite a bit sketchy :-)

But taking all these very valid points into account, I am mostly inclined to try to keep a balance between HBD interest and Hive earnings and all. I also believe that the APR needs to be reconsidered regularly. And I definitely believe that we first need to look at other things that need cleanups.

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Well, from what I see some 2 years after publishing that post:

  • 6% APR with little to no risk is still pretty neat. Likely unbeatable. Can you name a single asset which allows you to invest as little as $1 with no transaction fees, no KYC, and basically no restrictions whatsoever? With all under your control, as you have the private key, unlike when you stake your coins at an exchange? I doubt the few people who only use Hive for HBD Savings would quit just because of that.
  • I don't see people sticking around for savings, but that's perhaps just my social bubble. I have no data to prove this point.
  • A currency needs to circulate. Spending HBD doesn't make sense when you can stake it with this APR. No circulation, no economy. Spice must flow (the Dune reference), and so must money.
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  • 6% is indeed still pretty great if you take all those points into account! Especially with the KYC and all that... Although, not sure if you are able to retrieve your HBD into regular usable Euros in Europe without any way of KYC... But as I said, not sure, I just don't know, haven't tried.
  • I understand, in my regular social bubble, I don't see it either. It was only by stepping waaaaaay outside of my regular bubble and comfort zone that I learned about communities where Hive and definitely HBD is incredibly important. And I must admit that it was quite an eye opener...
  • I agree on the need to circulate (spice must flow for sure! :-) ). But there is also a need for incentive to save as well. As always, balance is key!

I have, as I think almost always when talking with you ;-) , the idea that our noses are definitely in the same direction, that it is a matter of finding the right setting ;-)

Thanks for sharing your opinion! Greatly appreciated, and I will definitely be considering your points further!
And also thanks for the re-witness-voting :-)

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My position as a witness is not to drop HBD APR below 15%. The rest I agree on.

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Well, I would LOVE to keep it to 15%, or even go back to 20%, but I also do see the need to get the ratios right again. Lowering it to 6% will only break stuff more I think, so I would definitely not go below 10%, which is why I see 12% as a good middle road, for the moment. I do believe that we should rethink these percentage as soon as the ratio is "green" again. This could very well be tomorrow, without even changing the APR, due to some positive world event that put the trust back into crypto (and the whole world market for that matter).
But most importantly, I do believe that the real spillage and problem is not in the APR, but in DHF, and we definitely need to clean up there...
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Yep, I'd sure love for the APR on staked HBD to go back to 20%, or even stay at 15%, but indeed, 12% does seem to be the sweet spot, or at least not quite as bitter as 6%. You're right, if the APR goes to or below 10%, there would be little to no motivation at all to keep it in Savings. I know that I'd probably just convert it to HIVE and power it up. 😁🙏💚✨🤙

!ALIVE
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Indeed, and I think the majority of HBD that would still be in savings at 6% would be the "sleeper accounts", the ones that parked it here for the gains and nothing else. So basically, you'll be rewarding them less, while punishing the others...
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Sleeper or dead accounts, and indeed, 6% would be an unpleasant course of action. 😁🙏💚✨🤙

!HOPE
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!STRIDE
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In my opinion, the interest in HBD Savings should be more than the gains from curation and inflation from Hive Power combined, before most long-term investors on Hive would prefer to put their tokens in HBD Savings !INSTEAD of HP. 🤔🧘‍♂️💸🤯🤓

I know that @borniet would also be interested to see this comment. 😎😏

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The only problem with that is that HBD is a HIVE IUO, so Hive debt, which means that the more HBD that there is, the more actual and virtual HIVE must be created to counterbalance it. While it's definitely not the main cause, high APR on HBD in Savings has directly contributed to our exceedingly-high Hive Debt and HIVE inflation. 😁🙏💚✨🤙

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Hi, thanks for sharing!
Unfortunately, however, for INTELLECTUAL HONESTY, you should also talk about the
Hive is a FICTIONAL project, managed by a few who operate with multiple MULTIACCOUNTS!
With the latter they control the entire project and all their followers, also with multiple multi-accounts.
Some of them are the WITNESSES themselves!
All these multi-accounts and main accounts use deceptive and fraudulent techniques to generate profits out of thin air by self-voting posts with a series of multi-accounts.
They also delegate the same HP to each other, to grow these multiacocunts. This practice is repeated over the years, obviously documented. You will find multiple posts from various users on the subject with lots of screenshots to prove it.
Furthermore, with these multi-accounts, they coordinately eliminate the proceeds of the posts of the creators and above all of the curators who vote for them, the latter unaware of everything, because they will never know that they voted in vain. Furthermore, witnesses are always voted with multiaccounts, which is why the ranking of witnesses is the same.
If you do some research you will find some accounts with millions of dollars in them.
If you ask questions about multi-accountants, expect posts to be blacked out everywhere as well as continued downvotes to lower your reputation and silence you.
Hive is centralized and there is censorship from the start.
If you do some research, you will realize that many are withdrawing quickly, also because these are the same ones who manipulate the market downwards, given the unlimited creation of multi-accounts managed by the apex of the pyramid.
Don't be smart and when you write articles, write all these things down.
Censoring users won't be enough!
BE CAREFUL NOT TO ATTACH ANY EXTERNAL WALLET TO HIVE!
DO NOT SHARE ANY SENSITIVE DATA ON HIVE!
DO NOT SHARE PERSONAL PHOTOS ON HIVE!

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If you change these two things ( APR - DHF ) , do you think HIVE will be good then ??? ☕☕☕ NO 😆😆

after changing these two things you just need to calculate how many bot pages need to be created across the platform agen 6 months and printing is restored and nothing has changed. 🤭 Our problem is BOT pages, it has been normalized by developers that it is normal to have 100 or 1000 robotized printing pages on Hive world ... this is not normal 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️ it starts more look like scam .

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Well, I totally agree that changing these two things will NOT suddenly make Hive ALL great and heavenly :-) And a lot of the major problems are only remotely related to APR & DHF, that's also for sure... But we have to start somewhere, right, and setting the APR is something that can be done right now as a witness (BTW: have you considered voting for my witness, @botlord? ;-) ).
As for the BOT pages, which ones exactly are you referring to? Do you mean things like the automated status update-posts from tipping bots for instance?

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