Confront thyself with thy neighbor.
While finding an online community is a very nice thing and very helpful in many ways, it can never replace the actual local community of neighbors. And it’s dangerous to mistake the two with each other.
On key structure of a community is a common ground of fundamental values that everyone shares. But that doesn't mean in any way that everybody agrees, on the contrary, the dissent is absolutely necessary to make a real community function and not turn into an echo chamber, which a lot of time is the result of algorithms in the digital world.
But not only algorithms.
We ourselves are looking for it, too. The validation of our viewpoints, of the ideas we have, the values we hold high and more than anything the opinions we have. It’s easy to blame the algos for our echo chambers, but if we’re really honest – it’s what we’re looking for.
And it’s absolutely toxic.
Every echo chamber is isolating and fragmenting society. There are many of them. They can be based on cultural things in common, like a Chinatown or other quarters of cities where immigrants settle. Or the opposite, the “ethnically clean” villages that neo-Nazis and other extremists establish. All those are trying to diminish the “otherness” factor and enhance the common values, creating a comfortable zone of feeling “right”.
But it’s wrong.
Those comfort zones numb us down. They make us think that we’re right, as there is no opposing view close, so we don’t even have to discuss it, which then creates a culture of consent, meaning that dissent is seen as bad and hence to be avoided, and in consequence suppressed, either through “We don’t talk about Bruno” or through self-censorship.
Just more isolation.
How many of you know their neighbors? The people in the town? Can you name 50 of them that are not your friends, what they’re like, a little bit about their life? That is community. Today, my good friend @socraticmthd, who I happily dissent with many times, said a phrase that stuck to me:
Maybe Jesus didn’t say “Love thy friends”, but “Love thy neighbors” for good reason. It’s easy to love your friends, but your neighbors?
Neighbors are usually the ones we clash with a lot. There are whole TV series about the worst neighbors in the world. So, his argument makes sense – if we’re able to love our neighbors, we’re pretty much on a good path. But to love them, we have to know them.
Fundamental Expectations.
I wrote about that in a post about my friends, who are very different from each other and I know them well enough to know their flaws, and yet I love them. The same goes for neighbors. In a real community, they’re the ones we have to rely on. Although they blast music after 9pm. Or make BBQ when we just put out the clean laundry to dry. Or are a church. Or don’t separate their garbage correctly. Or don’t trim their hedges.
Superficially.
That’s what the anger is about. But in order to believe in it as a community, we have to be able to rely on them when push comes to shove. We have to know that deep down, we share some values in common. My mom’s neighbors are far right. Not nazis yet, more the Viking-System thing. Every time I’m there, I go over to their place, bring a few beers and they have nice honey wine, made with my mom’s honey. My mom is green party/left. Yet, we go there, discuss, even politics. And it’s surprising – there is SO much common ground, even politically. The goal is the same, the best possible living situation for the most possible people, utilitarianism in a nutshell.
We part in how to get there.
There are many ways that lead to Rome. Mine doesn’t have to be the one. I confront myself with their opinions, values, ideas. I get to know them better, and though it’s not very comfortable, I know that it will eventually create a sense of community that no like-minded-bubble can bring me. Confronting myself with the other is what really supports community.
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In the US, when we had a house with a fence I never knew my neighbors - the infrastructure is set up in a way where you don't need to. Everything you need is solved with a call to the right authority, an amazon order, or friends coming over. We didn't have to ask anyone to watch our house - we had an alarm system. To borrow tools - there are tool rentals. The system was set up in a way that makes neighbors obsolete.
Now its a complete 180. We have every neighbors phone number and we often hang out or bump into each other in our small town. The neighborhood of a small town is bigger than that of the city. Our appliance guy, is two houses down. Our neighbors, we borrow their tools, we watch their property when they are away... if I smell something burning I can literally scream across the fence and get a response.
Neighborhood is a matter of necessity and cooperation.
The only time people can afford to diss their neighbors or otherize them, based on culture, race, political disagreements is because they are comfortable enough to no need them - because the necessities they have are met despite the neighbors.
I've always had this with my neighbors at both houses I've owned. Its lovely.
That's pretty awesome. In Germany it was very much like that, even more than here. Everybody knew everybody, we couldn't get away with anything as children, if only one person saw us, my mom or dad would know. That was before the new neighbors moved in, but with them, it's the same. Lily just goes over there whenever she wants, and their kids come over to my mom's place as well.
Probably helps my neighbours ARE German? :P
Of course! Germans are the best neighbors one can imagine. We have a long history of being the greatest neighbors in the world. Ask France... okay bad example. Poland? Worse. Austria! Hm... Switzerland, Germany never invaded Switzerland. Ask the Swiss.
Look, even lovers steal the blankets from each other.
Here it's similar, I know my direct neighbors and a lot of people in the small city. Can't know everyone, though many know me - being a German baker in Ecuador stills sticks out. When I greet people on the street I mostly use "Qué tal vecino!" as I don't remember the names, and here, everyone is called vecino :-D
About the needing and not needing - I think that's a trap. We always need our neighbors, maybe not in a material sense, but we do need them for the confrontation with the other, so we don't get stuck in our bubble. And there always comes a day when we do need some help, too.
Also here is a post by @macchiata that I came across in my feed, that also kinda relates to what you're talking about:
https://peakd.com/hive-196233/@macchiata/the-same-political-game
Oh, I love her writing. Will check it out later, have to do some community work today - minga at the school, cleaning the rooms and gardens. Thanks for dropping the link!
Your post is a very good example of what I sometimes see in some of the #privacy communities I am a member of. I will use it in a post I intend to write about creating a "United Privacy" community. Thank you.
Awesome, thank you! Would be an honor to have it used in your texts, and I'll be looking forward to reading it! Not sure how it ties to privacy, but I'm eager to find out :-D
I utterly agree - even if people don't do the same things as you, you gotta rely on them when there's a disaster. That's more important than you not liking how they paint their house or play the trumpet on Saturday mornings. We just met our new neighbours today. They seem really nice - and they have chickens and a vegetable garden! So excited.
Diversity is really what makes us stronger, and we always have to enquire and engage rather than block just because we find the way others thing or do things confronting. Of course, there's ideas I'll never agree with, and there's things that neighbours might do that you can wrap your head around (like mess) but ultimately there's more that unites than divides us, and we always have to look for that.
I think with growing up and gathering more experience we can become more tolerant as well, depending on how we use those experiences. For me, too, it's like ultimately I see more things that unite me with than divide me from others. Building these theoretical constructs in my head helps with that, thinking about the why and hows. The emotional reaction to something is weaker when the ratio is seeing through the words and into the person, considering more than just the verbal and corporal communication, but everything that the latter is built on.
Okay, I'm getting into a train of thought here that might end in rambling :-D I'm happy that you'll have neighbors to exchange experiences about gardening with! Maybe soon we will see them posting in hivegardens... :-P
I love my neighbours. Sad thing, they're moving and not gonna be my neighbours anymore, anytime soon. Well, they will be on the title.. but it will be a rental. They sent me a text last night asking to borrow my carpet cleaner because their dog dug a hole in their yard and dirtied all their couches, carpets, etc, and I said sure!
When I went to drop it off to them, I was there for about 2-3 hours, just sitting down and talking shit with them.
Fucking excellent. I love that sort of interaction.
That sounds really great and healthy! Did you ever have opposite experiences as well? Meaning, that you were quite different from your neighbors and had difficulties because of that?
No, never :) I think a good neighbor largely depends on who you are.
Nice view
It is.