Quality is King... Long live the Jester?
Since the first minute we get onboarded to Hive, we're told that High Quality content is key. We are not told what exactly is high quality, and we're also pointed to some guidelines or advice publications and whatnot.
The reason for this whole quality narrative is because back in 2016 the goals of the whales was to have a nice, flooded with quality - and cute chicks - front page. That way any potential new user who stumbled upon steemit would definitely stick around. I mean, look at all this amazing content and these huge payouts! I will stick around and make content as good as these and get big paydays as well!
And thus, steemit, and by extension Hive, was doomed from inception.
This is what happens when you get developer minds to come up with game theory and business decisions. That's why Dan Larimer makes for a great CTO and not a CEO.
This is the same reason why so many Cryptocurrency projects and endeavors fail miserably. Because the way most crypto projects work is High stake or Tech knowledge = influence in governance.
And that's how you end up with unstable clowns like Bernie Sanders or business illiterates like Transisto having so much influence in the platform. I also want to mention a bunch of dev minded people who have way too much influence in governance but that do not know anything about how to run a successful business, but I would turn this informative, opinionated post into a rant.
Doomed from inception
High quality content doesn't attract Traffic. SEO content, marketing and promotion attracts traffic either organically or synthetically. If the whole purpose of curating quality content has been so engraved on the social media side of Hive, then why hasn't there been any real attempts at monetizing that traffic?
High quality content on Hive is King.
But we have been praying to the wrong altar, frens.
High quality content will never make people come to Hive. It might make some of the outcasts who like reading something for 15 minutes - which is a species almost extinct - stick around and come back, but if we really want traffic and adoption we have to cater to the masses.
I get it, trends can either be set or followed, and instead of running with the flow we could be the resistance, and become the oasis of long, tedious, quality content for that 1% of the population, or we could adapt and try to attack both worlds.
I've had some conversations with some Hive OGs about this whole microblogging vs long form content issue on Hive and of course there's some mixed opinions, but most of them understand and see the value of microblogging.
Elon sees the value in long form content, which is why they recently allowed long posts to premium accounts - monetizing their platform in the process by the way.
I'm not gonna mention names, it's pointless, but this whole attitude from some OGs against the current trend of content creation seems narrow minded at minimum, man.
Quality content is king, but it is the Jesters, the entertainers, who have any chance at making the social side of Hive go mainstream. We don't need a 1500 word post on how your day was, what you learned and how it translates into the current state of Hive, we more nice faced content creators that upload puppy videos and go viral.
Long form content will not make people come
But it might encourage them to stay.
Think of it in supermarket terms: The first necessity items are always at the back of the warehouse, and you have to go through all the unnecessary but alluring items before you can get to what you actually need. Then at the checkout you have a small section of highly attractive quick grab and get endorphins items. This is not a coincidence, it's meant to work this way to make the average ticket have a higher expense amount.
Supermarkets use low profit margin articles like toilet paper, meat and beans to lure you into the store, and then try to sell you high margin products like toys and candy while you are inside. You will never step into into a huge Walmart knowing you will spend one hour in there because you need a beer, that's why the convenience stores exists, and that's exactly why their profit margins are higher, because you are exchanging price vs speed.
Right now we are treating long form quality content as our meat and beans, when in reality we should be treating short form content like the attraction point, and then try to sell new users the long form content side of Hive.
Sure, it sounds counterintuitive. It sounds more reasonable to have amazing content as our main attraction point and then make users stick around because we have cute cat pics on Threads, but the reality is that the current generation will never fall in love with in a platform that is only long form content, at least not as a first interaction step.
You have to lure them in with small effort interactions and make them love it so much that they explore the other options, and then stay in the platform because of these high quality posts and interactions.
But let's face it, nobody under 30 years old will come to the front page of Hive and see ten long ass posts and say Oh, I love it here, I can spend 2 hours reading miscellaneous stuff!.
The statement above comes once they are already hooked, not as a first reaction.
But I'm already rambling, so, what say you?
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I came her for the memes…
That is what most people will say once HIVE goes mainstream.
Will it ever go mainstream though? Sometimes I start to doubt it.
I agree with what you're saying, man. Especially the new generation avoids reading long articles, what is important for them is short term entertainment. Advertising is also a very good idea. I've found out in the past that a lot of people come here because of Facebook ads. Crazy but true.
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This is true that most want precision in a content at the same time some contents need to be long to really instill more values or points in it.
Perhaps people easily loss concentration nowadays.
I came here for splinterlands and still here cos of it but the content has given me a long-term purpose to continously learn and write.
o.o well gotta follow the meta until it changes. wait til they say short term content is the best i guess :/
I like the metaphor with the supermarket. A study from 80's showed that diapers were at the very entrance of the supermarket as the dads going to purchase them while the mums were busy with the kids could easily find them. AND at the end, close to the paying area, there were beers, so they could grab one to "prize theirselves" for that.
Quality for me, is value expressed in a good way.
And of course it's much arbitrary BUT still, there can be some good guidelines that can be found and defined.
I honestly think the entire social media aspect of Hive is overplayed and won't have anything to do with potential adoption. Eh maybe a little, but everyone putting all focus there seems misplaced.
Hive isn't a business either, even though it certainly would be nice if big players had more business sense. However a lot of that world simply doesn't translate. On a business level Hive has already died and vanished half a dozen times.
Web3 is all about ownership and value creation. People will show up when they can make money. We've seen how toxic and leeching that becomes when the network pays more than the thing is worth. The trick is creating infrastructure that allows users to generate high value for the network.
Long form content is not high value as originally thought, which again is why I always come to the conclusion that social media is secondary.
Getting a lot of users with short form probably won't work either. That's a web2 business model and might get stuck in a web3 bottleneck. Of course it would be great for at least one bull market but the bear would be devastating.
Surely theres more to say but...
I do understand what you're saying. My attraction to Hive was the fact that there was a place for everybody and no matter your hobbies, you could find a place to share your views. I think microblogging is a wonderful way to attract the masses but would they be able to stay when they know what's needed to create long form content?
People are using facebook, instagram and other sites not because they earn there but they have people, attention and care. If they can get it on hive they would not only earn but they would stay here. So in short life becomes easier when we keep people around by offering them things that make them stay.
Exactly why Leo threads was launched on LeoFinance sitting here on Hive
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Is that short enough??? 😁
Oh wait....
Forgot the cute girls
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How 'm I doin'?
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Pretty good I'd say, you're almost ready to become a Tweetstat (if that is even a thing nowadays)
Ha! I'm not ready for much of anything, but I'm learning :-)
I'll have to say even with me having an above average attention span(compared to my tiktok peers) and not using any social media out there except hive and twitter. I still find it hard to read 10 post consistently on the hot/trending page but with threads - I feel invisible .
Short form will ring them in and long form will make them stay. Hive can be a solution to the decreasing attention span of young adults today because some will be able to find a home in the long form content but it will o my take some time and before that time comes short form can be a safe heaven.
Do you mean you feel invisible because you get no replies on Threads?
I agree, the existence of long form content can help as a resistance point to improve attention spans and all, but it should be the cherry on top, not the cake.
Not that, but that's also another factor to consider with threads.
But what I meant is that I don't feel stressed or pressured while threading. I guess the best word to use would be Natural.
i say you raise some valid points. Thanks for helping me see deeper.
i'll perhaps be gentler with those who thread "Timecheck: It's 16:42 in my country. What time do you have?" or similar :-)
I wouldn't be interested in supporting an endless stream of "low quality" content. And I don't have enough time in the day to support an endless stream of "high quality" content.
Is this post of yours high quality or low quality? I can't say, but I can clearly see it has, qualities. I'm sure if everyone looked hard enough, they'd see some as well. And from there, naturally, the human figures out what appeals to them and what doesn't.
What's presented above hooks people in. Before I even knew what was inside this post and before I even had a chance to judge the quality of this content, I clicked on the content.
Inside could have been anything.
A short post doesn't make it low quality by default. 2000 words doesn't make it high quality by default. It's the delivery that matters. If I was to "complain" about content on Hive, I'd start with the delivery, and give majority of you shit for being so tame/bland. Take a shot of showmanship and call me in the morning.
Go ahead and flood this site with short videos, remove everything else. You'll find yourselves in the same boat talking about high vs low quality. You'll see an endless stream of content creators posting shorts, sure. Majority of those videos will have shitty titles and poor thumbnails, standing very little chance of attracting anyone, and they haven't even seen all the camera noise or heard the shitty mic yet.
Go ahead and flood this site with memes. An endless stream of randomness. No context, no way to connect, no hook, just memes. It's easy, right? But it appeals to no one except the content creators working feverishly to scrape pennies off the floor.
As a content creator, I don't give two shits or a single fuck about this concept of high quality vs low quality coming from some Hive curator's thought process.
It's my content. Produced by me. Designed by me. Mine. Exists for others to enjoy. But I'm not writing a long-ass article in order meet some sort of "requirements." If I write a novel, it's because that's what I wanted to do. If I publish a random nonsensical shit-post, it's because that's what I wanted to do.
I don't care if someone on Hive doesn't like it or thinks my work is "low quality". Stings a bit when folks say things like "longform doesn't attract people" for seven years as I sat there with longs posts and much higher than average organic engagement, but hey, they're the experts.
I think people just need to relax, and do whatever. Stop trying to pretend like things need to be a certain way. Blame yourself if your content isn't gaining traction. And of course quality matters. Unless you prefer to give your potential viewers garbage. There's no rule against that, anywhere. I suppose it just comes naturally to most people putting effort into anything often yields desirable results. Very difficult to find content creators who become successful by getting shittier and shittier over time. These are decisions an individual must make independently.
And on a sidenote, yes, things like short videos can go viral. Capturing an actual viral moment though, is not easy. It's hard and one of the most high quality things any motherfucker can do, yet doesn't require many skills. Can't make plans to create that sort of content though. Right time, right place. Total fluke.
This is how things should be, the whole point of having a decentralized media platform is that content and creators filter themselves. If there's abuse someone can jump in but really, what is abuse to you might not be for me or viceversa, so all the self appointed blockchain defenders are cancer in my eyes.
A long ass post doesn't mean quality like you say, but it's become the norm in here and curation guilds push this narrative. Are they wrong? Probably, but I'm sure they do their best and do not fight low quality - whatever this may be, to hurt the creators, but by following their own views of what hive should and could be.
It's an art that it is hit or miss at least for me, sometimes I nail it some times I just don't, there's no formula unless you are 100% in the space and you know the audience perfectly, which is impossible because it is dynamic. But again, you are completely right, it's all about the delivery.
In my opinion, whatever brings traffic should be considered good, especially in a shrinking ecosystem like Hive. What's the point of putting out an amazing piece if it will be appreciated only by the 7 users we have? Of course, it's nice in theory but then you hit the scenario where in the end we are a blockchian with a native token and a ton of users are in it for the investment, not the community, so unless we find a way to bring in more users, some of which will become investors, we are just shouting to the void, and the void isn't even here with us, it's over at Twitter and Tiktok.
Platforms like the above have 99% crap, and they filter themselves, people don't care about shitty creators and that's exactly what you mention, a quality creator will find success anywhere they go, a shitty one will fail to do so no matter if it's short videos, long form posts, microblogging or porn.
Exactly, which is why people need to take responsibility for their own HivePower and get involved with the blockchain - governance, voting, consuming, transacting.
Oh of course, actually one of the main strategies of Leo is to encourage long form high quality content by providing ad revenue to the content in case it brings in traffic - because traffic is king, not quality - to the platform. My main point is that considering how the target audience is behaving at the moment, we can lure them in with short content and then they can stick around and realize there's long form content that is worth consuming.
Do I think long form content can get adoption to Hive? It definitely can, but it will be much more harder to do so. I'm going to stick to long form creation and keep hitting and missing, that's my real niche, but that doesn't mean I don't realize my audience is shrinking, and even though I pull in some users into hive by doing this, the cute girl sharing updates about her meaningless life will pull in 10x what I pull.
Then again, hustler twitter is full of amazing content and there are a ton of consumers out there for that content, so if we find a good balance between short, long, traffic driver, retention booster content, we'll be gold.
In the meantime, we can keep talking theory all we want.
Good to see you around man.
Seeing thousands of people feeling their way around in the dark, trying to figure out what works, failing miserably, then writing an endless stream of "Hive is broken!" posts (like they did on Steem for several years), is far more appealing than watching even one asshole step up to another and say something like, "You're not acting properly here," and combining that with a flurry of downvotes.
Spent years here basically advocating for the rebranding of "curation rewards". Ditch the entire curation concept. Votes trickling in come from supportive consumers rather than curators attempting to micromanage an entire social network. Those are consumer rewards. Take the "responsibility" off the shoulders of "stakeholders" and put it in the hands of the consumer. Sure, large stakeholders can still flex with votes, pushing content "up", making them more of a promoter than a curator. Everything as is still ties together but now the flow feels far more natural. It's IMPOSSIBLE for a large mass of consumers to "screw up" when it comes to deciding what's good or bad, high or low quality.
You mentioned attracting the next generation. Even people my age don't know wtf a "curator" is. Sounds more like job than Average Joe enjoying some leisure time. Everyone understands the concept of "consumer rewards" straight out of the box and being rewarded for sitting on your ass. That next generation is not a content creator. They're all on these sites consuming the content and engaging nonstop. It's not the content that makes something go viral. It's the millions of viewers doing that. An entire generation.
Some folks like to throw around derogatory terms like "content police" acting like anything that can be seen as "negative" on Hive is somehow wrong and should not exist.
I wonder how they'd handle a far more realistic scenario where tens of thousands of consumers are downvoting the living the shit out of someone for weeks on end, like they do elsewhere online, when people fuck up bad.
Scale it up. Is Hive still broken? If thousands of fans are piling on one content creator with supportive upvotes and all she's doing is acting like an NPC in front of a camera (meaning the content is very confusing and borderline shit to most outsiders), is Hive "broken?" People think that woman acting like an NPC on stream is crazy, but her actions alone caused $7000 per day to flow into that platform and eventually her pocket, all of which coming directly from the pocket of the consumer.
Maybe the people are broken, but the stakeholders (that includes content creators and consumers) are all making bank, so who cares.
I personally wouldn't place blame on some sort of initial template or standards placed on the people in the early days. All that does is make it incredibly easy for a content creator to go against the flow, and stick out like a sore thumb. Rules like that are meant to be broken. But again, it's all in the delivery.
Amen to this…
"You're not acting properly here," and combining that with a flurry of downvotes.Spent years here basically advocating for the rebranding of "curation rewards". Ditch the entire curation concept. Votes trickling in come from supportive consumers rather than curators attempting to micromanage an entire social network. Those are consumer rewards.
Let the community decide what’s good content.
The community is deciding what's good. While others in the community disagree or see things differently.
When scaled up, I think the concept of "The community" is gone, and that's a good thing. Masses of people all going their own direction is what you're left with. People consuming content on Youtube for instance. They're not trying to be a part of something or representing Youtube. It's just people being people and doing people things. Once you have that, you can't go around blaming community member x or unwritten rule B for something about the platform you don't agree with. You simply suck it up and deal with it instead of attempting to control the masses.
People naturally form their own communities around their own content, products, offerings, whatever. Not their platforms. And this one is decentralized so for sure I'm not holding up a Hive flag. Got my own gang signs.
There's no real need to have everyone and everything somehow intertwined, all attempting to represent a single cause. A happy "community" typically doesn't even know their neighbors, nor care about what they do for a living or how they mow their lawns.
Good points!
Yup, that is what a successful platform lets happen, the organic growth.
Exactly.
Organic indeed.
Will be difficult to grow all these content seeds organically though without interested consumers, since they provide the light. Without light, plants whither away and die.
A massive push to create faster, simpler content, means there's far more individual units of content available at any given moment. Far more seeds to grow.
Instead of reading 1000 words in one space (since "nobody" likes that), people can read 10 words in 100 spaces after sifting through 10000 trying to find those 10 cool words.
If we're to push to create something like that, which requires far more attention in order to be a success, the platform will require far more people paying attention. Works on other platforms because those platforms have millions upon millions of consumer accounts baked right in.
I truly hope what I've been trying to explain these past five years clicks with some people, eventually.
Nice to see you. Time for me to put this thread to rest though. For me, talking about this stuff adds stress to my life I can do without.
I would like to refer in more detail to what you've mentioned in your above comments and solutions I have in mind.
When people arrive at a place, they want to try it out first or just do their thing, yes. Youtube is a good comparison. If I have an account there, I'm not asked to introduce myself or make a welcome video, yes, I don't need to join or pander to any so-called community, it emerges on its own and has no manager (the organic thing).
I can use all the given infrastructure there and do not have to submit to certain rules of operators who have appropriated a certain tag for themselves. I do not submit anything that is centrally screened and evaluated to this operator and his or her co-operators. I also do not receive comments in which I am immediately told about the practices and likes and dislikes. If a channel is successful, it is not because it talks about the platform all the time. There is also no penalty or reprimand if I decide to reuse my own previous content because those who already know it go further and those who don't know it don't care if I publish something I've used elsewhere.
Hive will remain mass-unfriendly if the community operators do not desist from wanting to manage content. It's more than obviuos that content cannot be judged by the few but only by the many.
A problem is the coupling of the "I like" or "I don't like" expression to the stake (and reward pool) alone. Then it's all about the stake/reward pool.
Why not decouple that? For example, by allowing people to click the thumbs up or hearts to rate a post without immediately attaching it to the reward pool (but later in the process). You could set it up so that posts with lots of hearts appear in the trending pages and they are on equal footing with the high payout posts. Or even "beat" them despite a significantly lower payout (just like including the "eyes" under a post).
Why can't a user analyse the dwell time of their readers, that would make them more likely to think about the length of their post themselves and no operator is needed to tell them. Moreover, it could show a discrepancy with the honesty of readers/upvoters who may upvote a post only because they hope to get something out of it in return.
I've often suggested expanding onboarding by allowing guest comments, that is, making it easier for people who don't want to start their own content channel to begin with, but have simply found something they want to comment on. Or not even that. What they simply like to read/watch and perhaps want to forward. But for this they need the possibility to carry out simple operations. Why is there no possibility here to share the content on other social media channels with a click? I wouldn't even enable such guest comments to be voted on, they would then simply be part of the dynamic without their comments offering the possibility to vote for them. You could set up two comment- columns under a blog post that have equal standing.
Those to the reward pool unattached guest comments would be sorted according to the time of their arrival (one could perhaps even programme the possibility to click on "newest comment above/below, for example). All comments could be given a line limit, where you can then click "more" if you want to read on. All the ergonomics that are already common and established.
The biggest drawback is that nothing can be voted on after seven days. However, if one were to give the possibility of giving hearts and a posting gets a lot of hearts or likes, one would create an attraction to generate new payouts on older postings by setting up an automatic mechanism, such as "100 hearts" = 1 HBD", 1000 hearts = 10 HBD and 10000 hearts = 100 HBD (or HP or something else). Just to give a random example. For this, someone would have to run a fund that sets up such automatism. This would show which content is popular with consumers and one can assume that abuse does not happen in a significant way, since hardly 10,000 people put hearts on something that they do not also like.
If no fund is set up, there is nothing left but to open Hive to advertising in order to create opportunities to earn money, in my view.
The search function on the Hive frontend is visually sad and far too little prominent. When I type in "fashion/vintage", for example, all I see is a boring visual posting list without a sound or image that immediately appeals to me. Why not help the viewer and visually enlarge parts of the content or pimp the arrangement of the posts in terms of a more lively design (e. g. using a random generator)? In the long run, content creators would learn on their own to use appealing cover images and visual material in the content more professionally. A platform and its users goes hand in hand to get better in professionalism.
That is how I understand "organic".
I repeat myself as well and talked or answered witness comments. But I am not important or known enough to make a proposal like here in my comment. So I do as I usually do. Engage in these kind of topics but then move on. No one needs to be stressed about it :)
Majority of people online are content consumers. The minority focuses on creating content meant to attract an audience of sorts.
Sit back and watch. There's a proposal in the works now with the goal to attract 10k new users. They will be advertising. Advertisements that target, consumers.
Of that group of 10k, maybe 500 will have enough natural ability to create and hold an audience, but ALL will be encouraged to post and attempt to earn. Of that 500, maybe only 50 will be interesting. Of that 50, maybe only 5 will have enough talent and material to be able to hold an audience for 5 years.
There will be 9995 new accounts, on their way out, because they're not interested in creating content, and all the consumers perks weren't mentioned, encouraged, or even offered or explained in a way that sounds appealing.
Yes, on Hive people are concerned about the reward pool because it always equates to money out the door. Aside from inflation, there's nothing replacing that money. The content is an expense.
Content is a product. Consumers spend billions supporting online content creators and their products. Throwing cash at them in the form of tips and donations nonstop. Using the reward pool as a tool, the consumer can stake tokens and tip their favorite content creators consistently and for as long as they want, all while the consumer's money remains in their wallet, growing over time as they accumulate consumer rewards. It's been proven "consumer rewards" encourage consumers to spend more and this system is the exact opposite of being a ripoff.
So now, rather than content on Hive being an "expense", it's generating millions and potentially billions, annually, directly from the consumer. Consumers purchasing tokens off the market props up the value of the reward pool. Now the money that leaves is being replaced, plus some since consumers outnumber creators by a huge margin. Consumers who are now investing in their entertainment and information of choosing, all while ensuring the stability of the platform it lives on, and strengthening the security of not only their accounts but the accounts of their favorite content creators.
Plenty of other consumer perks. You mentioned leaving comments. Consumers love creating shortform content like comments under videos, tweets, facebook posts, whatever else. Here, a content creator can reward consumers with comment votes if they want. The consumers that decided to become paying/supportive consumers can also reward other consumers. Accounts slowly grow over time and so does the value of community forming around content creator x and their capabilities.
The entire system here, as is, is fascinating. Like a gift coming straight from the god of independent arts, entertainment, and information.
I'm under the impression very few are interested in harnessing its full potential, and that's what stresses me out. Watching "the community" follow the same pattern for seven years. We'll pay to attract 10k more active accounts, most won't stick around, and content will be viewed as an expense or cost to the system. This time around LEO has some sort of "guest account" system in place, which is perfect, especially if the goal was to bring in consumers. Unfortunately if those 10k accounts do arrive, I can almost guarantee not one will know about anything I've just said. They'll hear all about creating content though. Content that'll sit with no audience. New and old content creators alike, here and elsewhere online will remain oblivious to the potential and will not act on their own to harness it. Revenue streams take work create but many would prefer it to simply fall from the sky.
For an independent creator/entertainer to be able to offer consumer rewards, it would take years of grinding that lead to massive success, plenty of overhead and infrastructure most don't understand. Here it just comes standard, straight out of the box, and there's no need to trust anyone. All they have to do is tell their supporters it's available to them.
Blah. I've said too much. lol
P.S. You mentioned the 7 day pay period as being an issue. It's really isn't. For instance, if you really wanted to support old content, simply leave a comment under it and upvote the author's response. Money goes the same place. It doesn't have to sit neatly under the post as a total. Also, modern content creators churn out new stuff nonstop and their supporters are rarely looking at the old stuff. And if all else fails, simply send the money directly from one wallet to the other. Not being able to support a creator after the seven day pay period is a myth. Plenty of creators here and long gone as well. Supporting old content in many cases means your sending funds to a wallet that isn't being used. The owner might not even have access to it. Therefore it's a waste.
Even though it is theoretically possible to reward old content in a roundabout way after the 7-day window is closed, in practice it is not done. I don't do it, I may serve as a typical lazy user.
If I can't make a donation or tip with a quick click, I tend not to do it at all. Same, when I walk the streets and want to give some cash to a beggar. When I cannot immediately reach my wallet, the moment might pass and I walk away without having given something.
The ease with which decisions can be made with a click has become the standard.
If I'm already logged into my account (but forgot that I'm only logged in with my posting key) and I want to drop 5 HBD as a tip, I first have to go to my wallet, log in there again with the appropriate password, which I have to look up first, get a new window from there where I have to fill in several boxes and finally confirm until the transaction is complete. I know that this is done for security reasons and I do not complain about it.
But I am saying that it makes tipping and donating much less likely than being logged in with a master password and simply clicking from where I am - and from where I don't want to move - to make a small financial donation to someone else (preferably with pre-made visually appealing choices).
Since at the same time it is recommended not to be logged in with the master key all the time (have heard this more than once, unless misunderstood), I am, for example, only logged in with my posting key.
On other channels and with the usual products, the whole thing goes much faster. I'm just thinking of Paypal, for example. The standards are set by the established and Hive as a completely different entity - functionality and ergonomics - will not attract masses if they are not adapted to user habits.
It is a completely different thing in terms of user experience whether I see my posting paid out at 7.90 or at 85 HBD. So if someone missed my article and they come back after X weeks and leave a comment and I respond as the originator of that post and then get a 100 per cent upvote, that's a different experience than getting that vote together with others as the sum of all the votes. You simply can't compare that.
Yes, theoretically and factually you are right, but the kick is different. And it kicks when you get a fat vote that leaves the cent range. That's how it is with the so-called serotonin releases or however one argues that, when you feel rewarded.
It happened to me once that someone gave me a 1.something vote because they had missed my travel post. I was happy, but it still wasn't the same. It felt lame in comparison.
If safety is first, it's understandable and I don't argue against it. But then Hive has this as a unique selling point and it contradicts those "fast and easy kicks and clicks".
For making it possible nevertheless to give a "one click tip" it would be nice to make that possible with the posting key. By setting a limit up to 5 HBD, for example, and dropping all security queries. I don't know if that would work technically, but I'm just spinning my wheels.
I am not referring to what else you said for now. Maybe later.
On PeakD, the tip button is right beside the vote button.
It's rarely used, especially compared to votes. Obviously the vote is better deal of course.
Hive Keychain helps with the keys and makes life easier in that department. Something like that is worth looking into if you're not using it. Can transfer funds with it as well of course.
I want to say solutions to your particular grievances have been in place for a very long time.
I am not using peakd. If everything what is fancy is not on Hive and I have to use something else, well... you get the idea. But anyway, thanks for the info.
PeakD is on Hive.
Maybe you didn't see my point. I served as the "dumbest user" possible with my examples. If it happens to me that where it says "hive" I don't find "hive" but something called "peakd", then the question would be which brand to advertise with. I as a representative of a lazy user have to log in on peakd with my password and then I as a total newcomer and ignorant person would have to be told that on this frontend tipping is a piece of cake. Who tells me where in the most prominent place when I first get on the hive frontend? Is it that obvious? My answer would be no. But never mind.
https://hive.io/eco
Who tells you? If a noob approaches me and asks, I'll help. I've spent hours on noobs. But it's not my responsibility to approach them. Plenty of helpful people around.
Which brand? No need to pick one. All those apps on that site I showed you need to market themselves. It's the responsibility of teams building products to market their products.
Then with keychain, you make your own password. Enter it once and it takes care of the rest. Can bounce around from site to site and not even think about your keys. It's probably one of my favorite Hive things and for the most part it works in the background.
I sometimes enjoy Threads as well. That's where people are posting shortform tweet style. PeakD has chat and direct messages so that's kind of cool too.
If you're new, nothing is obvious. If someone has been around for awhile and doesn't explore, I guess that's their problem. Hive is decentralized so it's only natural all these apps and everyone goes their own way. Would be nice to have everything connected. That is slowly improving.
So I can actively use ALL these different websites (create posts and comment and do wallet transfers) once I have this keychain, correct?
I have never hit the "Our dApps" button - that is what I meant by "stupid user". I was aiming at which of the apps a user gets on board through first and foremost. If this is for example done through the hive page and someone doesn't know about the apps because he is a technical submarine (like me), this can lead to the erroneous assumption that only where Hive is on it is Hive in it (to get that peakd is part of hive, you have to scroll down for a while if you entered through peakd first, for example).
So if I find something complicated because I didn't understand the concept that different names are nevertheless the same thing, you may blame me or be annoyed with me (I'm not talking about you), but it's a sign of ignorance or limited understanding of the possibilities. Because it's not prominently displayed on the respective start pages what the keychain is for example. If I go to "eco system" and I tap peakd and get the log-in options window, I don't see any information about the keychain. If I use the log-in and I type my username in "Keychain", I get an error message.
Since I don't know if I've made a mistake and two more attempts won't get me anywhere, I may go away and lose interest (not talking about me here since you told me it's possible).
True. I just created a brand new yt-channel after years and years gone by where I had opened up a first channel but never maintained it or used it actively. So I lost total track of how to navigate through the system. I, as a lazy person, want the possibilities and functions of yt-channel-creator without having to ask the community first if I don't know something. Therefore, I am grateful for the user guidance that makes me aware of certain things the moment I activate a function and subsequently receive suggestions on what I may still consider. Since I'm impatient and want to get started right away with the first release, I don't want to go to various forums first, for example.
I don't want to say at all that it has to be the same here or in the various apps, but I believe that the "masses out there" expect this, if not consciously, then unconsciously, because they are so used to it from the established. That goes to the fact why the masses stay away here and that is one possible answer.
Indeed, you are right. People like to offer their help, without doubt. I was speaking for those who don't like to ask or to read texts or manuals (maybe that's a considerable number).
Sorry to have made it so long. But I think I have maybe communicated where the core of my "critique" lies.
Google "Hive Keychain" and look into it. Should be able to find everything you need for that including the information on how to use it. I can't walk you through it and I don't have any links or material readily available. If the site says "sign in with keychain" it supports it. The keys stay in keychain. You'll rarely have to deal with keys again. I think it handles multiple accounts as well but I only have one so I never tested it.
Once it's setup, you won't get that error. You'll get the hang of it. And I really enjoy PeakD. At first I hated it but that was just because I was used to the old hive.blog site and steemit before that. PeakD seemed confusing. Once I gave it a chance and learned all the cool features on my own, I can't go back.
As for the issues. You and I can't fix these things. lol I'd love it if I could come here and never have to talk about the platform.
lol, yeah, that counts for me as well, I guess. Will see, if I am making the change. Right now, I am not very active in blogging anyways. Priorities always change.
agreed.
High quality content is all good and dandy but it doesn't generate traffic as you rightfully pointed out. For that to happen at least the following two "rockets" need to be deployed: marketing and sales (e.g. advertising). Big retailers use so called 'frequency' items (from specific brands) such as soft drinks, butter, diapers to lure in buyers. The money is than generated with a proper mix of low, mid and high price items. The pudding is therefore in the mix: microblogging and long from content; content that lures peeps in and content for the 1% 😉
What I find most interesting about Hive so far is the incredible souls one can connect with here. The fact that most of them don't use traditional SM speaks for this web3 ecosystem. Ownership is another key ingredient. And yes, the dev minded aspect is a hurdle as for Hive to go mainstream it needs to become more user friendly and intuitive.
You beat me to it. I was thinking of writing a post about short form content and how it could be a game changer for hives growth. Back then there was vines and musically. Then theres tiktok, meta and ig rolled out reels. Youtube also now has shorts.
From a personal experience a number of content creators i follow i got to discover thru their 30 second videos, i subscribed to those that interest me and watch their full length videos. I was wondering why we cant have both long and short form to reel people in.
Long content - that's what I do.., and I have done OK. I can only speak for myself!?
I think that Hive needs a better Discovery and Search of content and when the top quality content will surface, than we will see the power of it. Until than, it remains for communities to showcase Trending posts, even if those don't necessary mean Top Quality. Maybe we could invent a new kind of a feed service this purpose.
I think we need a mix of content, but it has to be original. I don't want a feed full of memes and 'viral' videos, but others will. My interests are not typical. I watch a lot of instructional music videos. We need to get some creators who struggle to make much on YouTube due to being niche interests. They could earn on Hive.
I think this is why opening up Leofinance to different content, and even changing the name are necessary to make the tent larger.
We need to appeal to a larger base, if we are to grow. And changing what is considered acceptable content is one step in that direction.
As for long versus short, I think Twitter settled the argument look ago about what the market prefers, it is short form.
In fact I think the much higher levels of engagement and activity on Threads confirms it for our captive population.
Facing facts, it's no coincidence that billions of dollars are transferred on the cheesiest products known to man. There's also a universal truth to the 'starving artist' description. Hive is somewhere in the middle.
The base product of human value transmission in social media is distraction. People don't want education, fact reports, testimonials, or any other boring 'high quality' publication. They want to be distracted from their current emotional state by something that introduces an alternative emotional state that they find engaging.
Hive does have some people that produce quality content that fills the human need to find distraction in life. I personally enjoy stories about the author's personal lives that give the distraction of virtual visitation or involvement in their daily lives, some project they are doing or some occurrence that they wish to share with someone. I'm not interested in things like the loads of reposted news reports and tech articles I have seen recently on LeoThreads. It believe it might garner some attention, but I don't find it to be one of those human distractions that someone would seek to change or enhance their emotional state.
The other issue is the tokenization of Hive. I will say, and it has always been my argument, that value is not created, it is transferred. You can make all the Tokens in the world, but unless someone is willing to transfer their tokens from themselves to another as compensation for a product or service, all you have is a collection of wooden nickels. This also circles around distraction. People are willing to pay for distraction. Games prove this. I'm not talking about curation here, which is where the voters earn from, I'm talking about the missing element of actual providing products and services that provide a value pool that curators get their value from for actually doing the curation in the first place. There needs to be reasons that people wish to BUY the tokens from curators, so the buyers can use them to BUY the products and services they want. And presumably, this is going to end up being products geared to do one thing... offer an alternative emotional state to the current emotional state of the buyer.
This is quite a great impression. I believe that the quality driven concept on hive would only keep the younger once but then how will an old man like my Dad who wishes to invest, contribute and also would want ends to meet through this medium cope with the flows of younger competitors out there who can stay put on their gadgets for hours.
I believe that Leo's micro logging interface has proffered a better solution to this issue. God bless their great input and cause all their wishes to materialize. Thanks for such an incredible update to the system.
I reckon we go with the IKEA model, once people enter they can't leave until they've read everything and dumped all their savings into it.
But I dunno, I feel like this business model outlook is pandering too much to the idea that Hive will become some super viral silicon valley BS platform that dominates the news cycles every day.
Hive in its current form of longer content could potentially replace things like Medium, and evolve beyond it. It can be used as an educational access platform, ecommerce, research publication (replace sci-hub) and god know what else.
Not everything has to be TikTok, but that doesn't mean it can't be big. Problem more lies in that I still don't really see a direction, in the same way you would see one in Steemit days with an ambitious CEO at the helm. We can always hope somebody will make a new front end that does this and that, but nobody is making it happen.
Quality contents are always loved and appreciated. I get bored reading through a content that I've scrolled and scrolled.
Average not too long not too short quality contents. The example you gave of a supermarket is a very nice illustration and should be used religiously.
What about a museum settings where everyone is invited, it's inviting and also everyone hopes to see something that is very attracting and adventurous.
I stand to be corrected. What's your take on this #frens. Not so long High quality content is King! 🧵
#leogrowth #threads
You have said it all, I really want to add more oil to this fire 🔥, but who knows maybe the whales are watching 🙄😱.
Actually, no one read long post again, NO ONE. If you see long post being voted high, it's a community trail or fellow whales friends.
Fun, is the new language of any social media, have fun, make everyone happy, in either 50 words or 100 words, if tiktok could do this in just few years and Hive has been existing since WW 2🤣, with little profit and progress, I think we have to rethink things.
First of all, it's good to see you, I often think about our poker game in Poland and the way you had me totally figured out after about 15 minutes! 🤣 I still need revenge!!
This is what I've been saying for years, but in the end I gave up because every time I pointed out something that was wrong and gave suggestions as how to fix it, I was railed against. Apparently by speaking up it showed that I wasn't community-minded.
Ultimately Hive will never go anywhere because it is leaderless and rudderless. Don't get me wrong, plenty of people will still have a fun old time here, but as far as mass adoption is concerned, you can forget it.
Whilst our fellow nerds and geeks might understand "Hive is more than just a blogging site", Mr and Mrs Joe Public have no freaking idea, so when they come to a site that looks like it was designed in the early 2000s and forgotten about, they shrug and leave, never to come back.
I mean, the fact that the name Hive was chosen in the first place, shows the shortsightedness involved in making such decisions. The first time I searched for Hive blockchain, I came up with a completely different company!
The fact I was able to do this in less than 2 seconds and the person responsible for changing the name from Steemit to Hive, didn't even bother to do a Google search, shows that things are not good.
Anyway, I've accepted that it's not going to change and I just treat Hive as a repository that I occasionally check in with, sometimes write content for and move a bit of Hive/SBD around.
Next time you're in London give me a shout, perhaps we can arrange some poker-chess marathon, although last time I checked your chess content, you had improved by a scary amount 😲
Peace.
Cg
I'm loving the way the layout is now! We can have all the short chats we want without it clogging up the blog feed 🙌
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