RE: Explorations in failure - trying to get a LLM to detect LLM generated content on HIVE
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Call me realist, pessimist or a cynic, but AI is here and it's not only not going away, but it will escape detection eventually. The only way forward is acceptance and adaptation.
Of course, not all adaptation is equal - people who are so lazy that they have AI do everything for them, including leaving comments is just idiotic. It's low-effort, inauthentic, mundane garbage that isn't passing the smell test, not even by half-literate such as myself.
The other way, is to use AI as an 'editor' for polishing and translating ideas and text. If one does it right then I see it as an 'acceptable' common ground - where effort is still applied by the author, but it is enhanced with the use of AI.
Also, as a visual artist, back in the day, I used to collaborate with authors and help them make Headline pictures, but now, not only is my skill obsolete, I myself turn to AI at times because it's so damn time-saving.
Let's remember the past for a second, painters use to hate early photographers... "those images are dead" they'd say, "its cheating", "it's 99% garbage to every 1% good photo". But look, they each found their lanes, the painters reinvented themselves, and Photography also found its place in the arts. AI - like the camera - is just a tool. The real art comes from the vision of its user.
So if anyone wants to use AI, please go ahead, but do it in a way where it's artful, sophisticated, stylized to be uniquely yours... maybe train your own model that reflects your inner creator - I don't know, but I think there is a way.
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I can't believe that a talented, allegorical painter like Paul Delaroche said that famous quote "from this day forward, painting is dead". If only he was still alive (a probably 200 year old husk) today, and see how people revere his work even today, and that people still fleck oil onto a canvas with the goal of expression.
Maybe we don't have neo-classical painters like him producing enormous, detailed canvas, but there will always be a place.
I think LLMs (given how it is structured and the vast amount of compute required), will certainly kill the search engine - but then what happens to the underlying websites that are being searched for, indexed, and "lovingly" (though the Internet has not been a place of love for quite some time with rubbish like SEO ruining writing) - created sites.
I really do miss the "old" Internet, geocities, people's janky, broken HTML with image maps, and all of their passion on show. Now, it is just a click farm for advertising and outrage.
Hive, I feel is one of the last lines of defence against that, or at least, its tiny International stadium sized user base is resistant to the bullshit.
LOL indeed someone should make a parallel internet, free of AI and SEO, where users can go back to those pre-search-engine algorithms. and also bring back myspace and 9gag to complete the internet of that era.
It doesn't need to be parallel. That implies the lines on it mirror those of the Internet. I'd rather it be a piece of clear film, placed over the top of the Internet, a shimmery glow of humanity in an otherwise robotic, industrialised zone.
I never used myspace and 9gag. I used geocities, and if you're interested in this notion, there's a fucking fantastic YouTuber - Sarah Davis Baker - who has produced some amazing brain food about this very topic.
Please watch it, and be intellectually stimulated and amazed. I wish people like this Sarah would write essays for HIVE. I'd happily devour them!
Watched, really insightful... although how old is she to have been using Geocities? she looks in her 30's at most.
Myspace was all about creating a 'persona' too - though it had some set structure - you could customize almost everything, and throw in gifs, music to play in the background of one's profile, and people also had funky names. but eventually everything got bought and sterilized - its how you get Facebook - no character at all.
Sorry I confused 9gag with "Something Aweful" - remember that one?
Something like live journal, then. You see, in the MySpace era, I was busying myself talking on MSN messenger, playing computer rpgs, making digital art, reading, and enjoying obtaining a broad education while having delusions of fitness thay never arrived.
As to her age, im not sure it mattered, I started using a computer and the Internet when I was six, and had my first one at home when I was 10 or 12.