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Because they raped, killed and burned Israelis.
And they abducted children, women and men and supported these horrors.
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All residents of the Gaza Strip did this? They all bear collective guilt because some were driven to terrorism?
Here in the US, we have people who think US history with Japan began on Dec. 7th, 1941 or history with the Middle East began on September 11th, 2001. Israel's history with Gaza did not begin on October 7th, 2023.
All of Japan was not guilty of Pearl Harbor or the atrocities committed across the Pacific Islands and China. All of Afghanistan was not responsible for Al-Qaida flying jets into the Twin Towers. All of Gaza was not responsible for flying over a wall to murder civilians, and Israel's response has escalated tensions instead of bringing peace.
Not all Gazans did this. There are about 30% poor people there, about 600,000 people that should be safe (unlike 600,000 innicent Assad murdered in Syria). Israel can't save them while Hamas firing missles behind these poor people. I hope Egypt will come to its senses and take away those poor people especialy kids that should not be in a war zone. But for some reason Egypt is not opening its gates besides to fuel Hamas.
Turkey and Egypt took 22 million refugges from Syria. Europe took 8 million refugees from UA. But for some reason even Iran refuses to save 0.6 million people from Gaza. That is indeed terrible.
Why should Egypt or Iran take them in? Their homeland is in Palestine and territory claimed by Israel. This is like saying after the US conquered the homelands of native tribes that Mexico and Canada should have felt obligated to accept the displaced people. The premise you offer is absurd.
Gaza is a microcosm of the old adage that if trade cannot cross borders, armies will. Let Gaza be truly independent. Let them have ports and trade. When people can build real prosperity, the appeal of mindless violence diminishes. Half the population is under 18, so we could be only a generation away from peaceful coexistence if people are no longer given reasons for hate and fear.
I respected your previos comments but as the author of the post accurately understood you are not making rational points but taking a side. While its your choice I would advice to be more objective when you communicate with someone who knows the situation first hand, we see and hear the missles. We hurt the dead. You make arguments thousands of miles away, you want to be good, thats understandable, but you are to far to understand and you are missing the opportunity to listen to first hand, prefering to make second hand arguments. Be safe in the US and may god bless you.
My side is the oppressed, regardless of what their rulers or countrymen did. Objectively speaking, the Palestinians have been pushed out of their homes for decades and denied all the necessary aspects of independence. This does not justify terrorism, but it explains the mounting desperation which fuels hate. If you can understand why rockets create fear in Israel, surely you can understand airstrikes and artillery bombardment are orders of magnitude worse in an impoverished region like Gaza.
The thing is, what the holocaust showed the jews, and what Assad lately prooved again, while the people of the world say the are siding the oppresed. They usualy do nothing to realy help them.
No one helped the jews in the gaz chambers, so the survived fought their way to a nation. No one stops Putin and Assad and no one will stop Iram and extreme Islam when they will turn their Jihad towards the Jews. So while I care much and held same opinions as you do on Oct 6, after Oct 7 I dont have the privillage to care for Palestinians. And when Jihad will turm its eyes on you, I guess your progressive mind will also change. I wish it won't, I fear it will.
Also thanks for the genuine interest and the last reply after my emotional backlash on you.
Here is a post that might put light on the sad effect of of Oct 7 on my perspective
https://hive.blog/israel/@amirl/i-am-truely-woke
Here are some facts that suggests we fight for our existance:
I don't want our women raped and babies burned to get pitty from the world. I rather fight and live with bad reputation. If you realy care for the palestinian lives you should support humane solutions like transfer to Egypt because any other solution is fueling war as you corrctly mentioned.
Have you ever been to Gaza? Have your visited the many high end shopping malls and fancy car dealerships, particularly in the Rimal neighbourhood?
You are completely ignorant and your worldview of oppressed vs oppressors is perverted and idiotic with no basis in reality.
Gazans were only oppressed by Hamas. Gazas had a higher standard of living than most Muslim Arabs before Oct 7.
The homeland of Arab Gazans is Arabia. They should go to Yemen.
They may be culturally Arab, but until a century ago, they wereunder Ottoman rule, and their ancestry comes from across the Levant, including Jews. Why should they go anywhere else, or to Yemen in particular?
Almost all Gazans would have raped, murdered and taken hostages if they had the opportunity, just as all the ones that had the opportunity did in Oct 7.
There is not one Gazan resident that publicly criticised Hamas for Oct 7 before Israel made them pay dearly.
There were no counter protests to the massive public celebrations of rape, murder and hostage taking that happened on the streets of Gaza.
You are right
Yes, all the residents of Gaza bear responsibility because they supported and protected Hamas and because non-Hamas Gazan "civilians" also raped and murdered and took hostages. Also they returned escaped hostages to Hamas.
They are far more guilty and responsible than the German people were for the Nazi crimes (and the Germans were guilty and held responsible).
Half the population is under 18. Of those over 18, no one under their mid-30s was eligible to vote in the last election in 2006. Of those who could vote in the last election, less than half who did vote actively supported Hamas. Collective guilt is irrational in Gaza now, and was irrational in Germany and Japan then.
By your own arguments, all Israelis are guilty of every act by the government of Israel against the Palestinians. You are justifying Palestinian terrorist retaliation in your own logic.